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Mountain View City Council says no to $1.2 million grant opportunity following public opposition
Original post made on Apr 17, 2023
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a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Apr 17, 2023 at 4:30 pm
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Mountain View's loss will be another City's gain (another City that might just ignore the MTC rules anyways, Palo Alto got a similar grant 2-years ago). Mountain View opting out of that grant will also mean $1.2M will need to be found by defunding another project ..... more than likely in another neighborhood where most density is being pushed to by Downtown :(
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 17, 2023 at 5:37 pm
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I am concerned that Emily was proposing an action that could have been interpreted as a misappropriation of State funds.
That is possibly a crime under Cal Penal Code 424. All I can say is you cannot take money for a specific purpose from the Fed or State and use it for something else.
This situation is very concerning
a resident of Rex Manor
on Apr 17, 2023 at 5:38 pm
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It looks to me like the grant stipulates higher *density* office development. I believe that's exactly what we want, so there will be more room for housing. Spread-out business parks with one-story office buildings worked great when land was cheap and population was lower. But times have changed and we need to adapt. We need taller buildings now if we are serious about providing housing for the next generation.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 17, 2023 at 5:47 pm
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““I am concerned about adding more office space in a city where we already have a horrible jobs-housing imbalance,” said Bruce England, a member of the Mountain View Coalition for Sustainable Planning, during public comment on April 11.”
Hear! Hear! Thank you Bruce England and other members of the public who spoke out with similar sentiments.
Staff recommended that the city apply for the grant anyway? Because “accepting the money does not mean the city is legally obligated to adopt the grant’s development standards”? Seriously? Such an action would reflect a lack of integrity, I’m glad that CC understands this, it bothers me that staff does not.
“But some who spoke at the meeting opined that Mountain View’s downtown area, located right next to a busy Caltrain station, is exactly where that kind of density belongs.”
Density for RESIDENTIAL is what the public needs. Density for RESIDENTIAL would be fine. But density for more office construction? No. That would only increase the jobs/housing imbalance. Adding more highly paid workers to further drive up the price of housing? No.
“Council member Lisa Matichak made a motion that the city withdraw the grant application to MTC, which the council passed 4-1, with Ramos casting the dissenting vote.”
Kudos to councilwoman Matichak. I’m so disappointed to hear that Emily Ann Ramos cast the only dissenting vote on this.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 17, 2023 at 6:56 pm
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I completely understand your concerns about office construction and job/housing imbalance, but I believe that office and housing density near transit is precisely what our city needs for sustainable development. By promoting mixed-use development near public transportation, we can reduce traffic congestion, lower greenhouse gas emissions, and provide affordable housing options for our community.
It's important to note that providing more jobs is not necessarily a bad thing, as it can stimulate economic growth and provide more opportunities for our residents. However, we do need to ensure that there are enough affordable housing options available for those who work in these new offices.
Furthermore, by locating offices near transit, we can encourage more people to take public transportation to work, which will also help to reduce traffic congestion and improve air quality. It's a win-win situation for our city, and I believe that we should continue to pursue grants and policies that support this kind of sustainable development.
While I respect Council Member Matichak's concerns, withdrawing the grant application would mean missing out on potential funding for projects that could benefit our community. I urge our city officials to carefully consider the long-term benefits of promoting mixed-use development near transit and to make decisions based on what will be best for our city's future.
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Apr 17, 2023 at 7:33 pm
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Sure, I'd be happy to have a conversation about restricting office development in Mountain View, or at least tying it to community benefits. But downtown is the best place for us to put offices. Balance them by rezoning away from offices elsewhere. Balance them by requiring contributions to the affordable housing fund. But throwing away this grant was not a good idea.
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 17, 2023 at 9:49 pm
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Just understand,
the GRANT was not approved of yet. It was an application for a grant.
And again if the city misused the money in any way, the state would have the city targeted for prosecution and civil action. Costing way more than the $1.2M in question.
That would have been a disaster
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 18, 2023 at 1:25 pm
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I find it fascinating that many YIMBYs often bring up the jobs/housing imbalance, but only as an argument to increase the supply of expensive, market-rate housing. The coin has two sides. Why don’t more (any?) YIMBYs argue against office construction, as a temporary measure until housing supply has increased sufficiently to make rents drop?
I think comments on stories such as this one are a tell that reveal the true goals of the movement. High wage earners are actually HERE FOR THE JOBS, of course, so it is simply not in their best interest to limit office construction. They want more of it. They like the idea of increasing the number of high paying jobs in MV. Their biggest complaint is that they themselves cannot afford to buy a house. THAT is the “affordability” issue that primarily motivates them, not the plight of teachers, service workers and kids who don’t code.
In 2016 Kate Vershov Downing resigned from the Palo Alto Planning Commission and wrote an article that went viral, Web Link : “It’s clear that if [highly paid] professionals like me cannot raise a family here, then all of our teachers, first responders, and service workers are in dire straits.” Note her PRIMARY concern was NOT low-income persons, she did not resign over THEM. She resigned because a highly paid couple should be able to buy a house, dang it! Her words struck a chord, and the YIMBY movement was born.
If one truly believes that the jobs/housing imbalance is a problem, one should at least be consistent about it.
a resident of Blossom Valley
on Apr 18, 2023 at 2:19 pm
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I shake my head every time I read articles about the crazy growth in Mountain View.
a resident of The Crossings
on Apr 18, 2023 at 4:17 pm
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Turning down the grant was a poor move. Choosing not to even explore options is pre-deciding the outcome and leaving money off the table that could be used to put together a really good plan. Having a virbrant downtown that supports lots of local businesses means building, and making use of its place as a transit center where people primarily walk or bike. I would have expected better from the council, but clearly the downtown special interest groups are too well-organized and powerful.
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 18, 2023 at 5:59 pm
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@dhulse
"clearly the downtown special interest groups are too well-organized and powerful."
Er.. you mean the residents. Who vote?
Who like the historic downtown and only want more affordable housing, and don't feel the need to provide giveaways for luxury (they can do it on their own.. they make a ton of money as it is)?
Who want no more offices to further exacerbate the jobs-housing imbalance?
Right.. those guys have way too much power.
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Apr 18, 2023 at 7:28 pm
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Stopping office development is a trap. If we did that, people would use it as an excuse to also stop building homes.
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Apr 18, 2023 at 7:33 pm
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The Old Mountain View Neighborhood Association has a huge influence on city politics, out of all proportion to the neighborhood's population (which isn't very big). One way to tell is that downtown has always produced disproportionate numbers of city councillors. That's why, even though city residents voted for a generally pro-housing council, that council doesn't want to cross OMVNA.
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Apr 18, 2023 at 7:36 pm
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Downtown isn't historic, anyway, other than a few individual old buildings. Even the "train station" building is a replica. Downtown as we know it dates to, what, the '80s?
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Apr 19, 2023 at 7:39 am
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In applying for this grant, City Staff intended to withdraw an existing application for the same grant program covering the Moffett Boulevard Precise Plan. While MTC felt that the odds of a grant for the Downtown Precise Plan were higher that for the Moffett grant application, it could be that the City can expect more money from the Moffett Boulevard grant than for the Downtown Precise Plan grant given the doubts about the grant's requirements for the downtown area.
Also not mentioned are the restrictions the grant would have placed on parking. *Maximums* of 1 space per residence and 2.5 spaces per 1000 feet of office space. This could easily mean that we expect no more than one car for every four or five office workers. Is this reasonable? It probably depends, but we don't want to get this wrong, either: growth needs to be balanced and we won't do ourselves favors by adopting requirements that restrict flexibility we end up needing.
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Apr 19, 2023 at 11:51 am
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@oculus
So more dense offices, more housing density, less parking is ok in Moffet Boulevard or other neighbohoods....just not Downtown -which has the best transit options anywhere in Mountain View-. ?
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 19, 2023 at 3:41 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
In 2016 Kate Vershov Downing resigned from the Palo Alto Planning Commission and wrote an article that went viral, Web Link : “It’s clear that if [highly paid] professionals like me cannot raise a family here, then all of our teachers, first responders, and service workers are in dire straits.” She resigned because a highly paid couple should be able to buy a house, dang it! Her words struck a chord with other highly paid workers, and the YIMBY movement was born.
Downing offered theories about the cause of high housing costs, which have been embraced as gospel truth by many (most?) YIMBYs: “There is a small minority in Palo Alto that is local, wealthy and powerful and they don’t want change. They just want more jobs to grow the tax base, but they don’t want new people. They want to keep housing as expensive as possible.”
Look how flawed her theories turned out to be. Existing residents don’t “want more jobs to grow the tax base”, quite the contrary. We are fighting as hard as we can to STOP OFFICE CONSTRUCTION until the jobs-housing imbalance has been addressed. Who is arguing for more office construction? Our YIMBY friends. The same ones who don’t see a problem at building 9 market rate units for every 1 affordable unit. The same ones who feign concern for “teachers, service workers, and kids who don’t code”.
“I completely understand your concerns about office construction and job/housing imbalance, but I believe that office and housing density near transit is precisely what our city needs for sustainable development.”
Sustainable development? That is not our biggest problem right now. Our biggest problem is EXCESSIVE DEMAND to grow jobs in Mountain View, highly paid jobs that are driving up the price of housing. It’s called the “housing crisis”, a few stories have been written about it.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 19, 2023 at 3:51 pm
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I understand your frustration with the current job-housing imbalance in Mountain View and the high cost of housing. However, I believe that promoting mixed-use development near transit is still an important step towards addressing these issues in the long run.
While some existing residents may be opposed to more jobs and office construction, it's important to recognize that economic growth and job creation are important for the overall health and vitality of our city. The key is to balance this growth with affordable housing options and sustainable development practices.
In terms of the housing crisis, I agree that it is a significant problem that needs to be addressed. However, I believe that promoting mixed-use development near transit is still an important part of the solution. By encouraging more people to take public transportation to work and reducing traffic congestion, we can help to make our city more livable and affordable for all residents.
Ultimately, I think it's important for our city officials to consider a range of strategies to address the housing crisis and job-housing imbalance, and to make decisions based on what will be best for our community in the long run.
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Apr 19, 2023 at 6:14 pm
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Leslie, you need to stop telling people that YIMBYs are only in it for themselves, because it's not true. We have solutions to make housing more affordable for everyone that have been proven to work all around the world. There are plenty of people whose housing policies are designed for their own benefit, but YIMBYs are not them.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 20, 2023 at 2:34 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“I agree that it is important to focus on ensuring that all 11,000 homes in the plan are built, and if possible, even more.”
That’s not what I said, I think you know it. Your comment also shows your “commitment” to seeing that 6,000 AFFORDABLE units get built.
My essay was written to expose the truth that building more housing “of any kind” was (and is) a flawed strategy to bring down housing costs for most workers. Fast forward to today where I seem to be almost alone in even “remembering” all of the talk for the past 2 years that the REASON for density was to solve the “housing crisis”. We were told housing costs were high because “supply” was limited. Density was sold as a solution by YIMBYs and state Democrats to bring housing costs down. The public deserves to understand that they have been duped. There are winners from density, but those do not include low-income and average workers. It sickens me to see the RHNA target of 6,000 affordable units, MORE THAN HALF of our 11K target, being essentially IGNORED and forgotten.
Also from my essay written in 2021:
“Instead, politicians are intervening on behalf of these corporations to create housing for thousands of new tech workers in Mountain View. With a ruse of increasing “affordable” housing, they are actually maneuvering to force higher density onto an unwilling population. The last cycle of RHNA mandates resulted in 7,082 units (88%) for the highest wage earners, 371 (5%) for the poorest, and 253 (3%) for average earners. Thousands of expensive units added ... have prices dropped? No. The latest mandate (4X higher) calls for 11,135 additional units, and does not require a different distribution. The public is being duped: Building massive amounts of unafforable housing will simply not bring down rents for most wage earners. Look at the math.”
Our politicians are doing what is best for Google, not for "we the people" of Mountain View. There is a nasty and serious word for that: "oligarchy".
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 20, 2023 at 7:24 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
I believe you may have responded on the wrong article, since your quote does not match what I've written here. Nonetheless, I'm happy to continue the discussion.
I understand your concerns about the focus on building market-rate housing and the lack of attention given to building affordable housing for low-income and average earners. It is important to ensure that the city is meeting its RHNA targets for affordable housing and that these units are actually being built.
However, it is also important to remember that we need to focus on the number of homes being built, not just their percentages. It is crucial that we work to ensure that all 11,000 homes in the plan are built, and if possible, even more. This will help to address the overall housing shortage in the area and provide more options for people across the income spectrum.
We need to continue to hold our politicians accountable and push for more affordable housing to be built. Let's work together to make sure that all 6,000 affordable units are actually built and that we continue to make progress towards meeting the housing needs of all members of our community.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 22, 2023 at 2:02 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
Sadly, I did accidentally respond on the wrong article. Thanks for pointing that out.
“I'm happy to continue the discussion.” That’s an interesting choice of words. Is it a sincere and honest dialog when one simply ignores points that have been raised, and attempts to move the discussion on to something else? There is a word for that, I think: deflection.
Politicians have “public positions” and “private positions”. They say pretty words to fool the public into voting against their own best interests, and to manufacture consent. But the truth of the deception becomes evident by the little inconsistencies that slip out.
Voters in MV didn’t have the opportunity to vote on whether or not to adopt the shiny new Housing Element that has just been passed. But one can see that despite all the pretty talk about the need for affordable housing, and the plight of teachers, service workers, and kids who don’t code, the true goal for those who wanted to see the new Housing Element passed was not to help low income and average workers.
It is hypocritical to assert that we are in a “housing crisis” because of a “jobs-housing imbalance”, and then press for more office construction. Those two things don’t go together. Fire fighters don’t spray gasoline onto a fire while they are actively fighting to put it out.
Our new Housing Element was fought for by those who want to maximize the construction of market-rate units in MV. Period. The sham target for 6,000 affordable units is being ignored, because it only exists to fool the rubes. And now the YIMBYs want to press for more office construction? Un-freaking-believable.
The emperor has no clothes. It will be interesting to watch who still pretends that he does.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 22, 2023 at 2:09 pm
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It's important to have honest and sincere dialogues in any discussion, and I encourage you to continue sharing your thoughts and opinions. However, it's also important to remain respectful and open-minded to different perspectives, even if we don't necessarily agree with them.
Regarding your comments about politicians and their public versus private positions, it's certainly true that there are often discrepancies between what politicians say and what they do. However, it's important to hold our elected officials accountable and push for transparency and honesty in their actions and policies.
As for the housing crisis and the construction of market-rate versus affordable housing, it's important to consider all perspectives and find solutions that address the needs of all members of the community. It's true that simply building more housing of any kind may not be the most effective way to bring down housing costs for low-income and average workers, but it's also important to address the jobs-housing imbalance and provide adequate housing options for all.
Let's continue the discussion with an open mind and a commitment to finding real solutions that benefit everyone in the community.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 22, 2023 at 2:20 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
"However, it's important to hold our elected officials accountable and push for transparency and honesty in their actions and policies."
Agreed. That's exactly what I'm trying to do.
It's perfectly appropriate and necessary to point out the inconsistencies which reveal that the "public positions" are false lies.
Not having a plan on the table to construct 6,000 affordable units in our "mandate" is one such inconsistency. We are forced to "comply" with the part where the state demands 11K units, but ignoring the part where 6,000 must be affordable is ok?
It is hypocritical to assert that we are in a “housing crisis” because of a “jobs-housing imbalance”, and then press for more office construction. Those two things don’t go together. YIMBYs have been crying wolf. They aren't trying to solve the housing crisis for anyone other than high wage workers.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 22, 2023 at 2:39 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
The Housing Element does plan for the construction of 6,000 homes affordable to low- and middle-income families. The state mandates that cities must plan for a certain number of homes, but also requires a portion of those homes to be affordable. In the case of Mountain View, the Housing Element plans for 6,000 affordable units out of the total 11,000 mandated units. While it is important to point out inconsistencies, it's also important to recognize that the city has a plan in place to address affordable housing. The focus now should be on ensuring that the city achieves those goals and executes the plans in the Housing Element. While there may be disagreements on the best way to address the housing crisis, it's important to recognize that the Housing Element does include provisions for affordable housing and we must work to ensure that those goals are met.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 23, 2023 at 3:49 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
@Clarence, respectfully, you seem to have a way of agreeing with me in order to silence what I am saying and deflect my main points. I see it.
"it's important to hold our elected officials accountable and push for transparency and honesty in their actions and policies."
Holding politicos accountable requires remembering their “campaign promises”, and then comparing those promises to how political power is actually used. Sadly there are no laws against politicos telling bald-faced lies to voters. The reality today is that politicians lie to the public in order to gain + use political power to advance the interests of their political donors. I was shocked when I finally realized state Dems were lying to the public in order to advance the best interests of Google in my sleepy little hometown. Somehow I forgot that Google IS one of the richest and most powerful companies on the planet.
An explanation has NEVER been given to explain why MV is being asked to build so much more housing than other comparable cities. YIMBYs don’t seem to mind.
Despite all the pretty talk about the need for affordable housing, and the plight of teachers, service workers, and kids who don’t code, the new Housing Element that was just passed will maximize construction of expensive, market-rate units. YIMBYs don’t seem to mind.
If we build 11K new units at the same rate we have been building for the last 8 years, a ratio of 9 market rate units for every 1 affordable unit, the result will be 9,900 new market rate units and 1,100 affordable units. The “mandate” for MV is 6,000 units. We are on a path to failure for THOSE units. YIMBYs don’t seem to mind. Neither do state Dems.
We build at a 9 to 1 ratio because of older laws passed to encourage construction of affordable housing. When it comes to building AFFORDABLE housing, the problem is not zoning, the problem is FUNDING. YIMBY leaders understand this, but don’t lobby for change.
No new funding = No 6000 units. YIMBYs don’t seem to mind.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 23, 2023 at 5:43 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
I apologize if I gave you the impression that I was trying to silence you or deflect your main points. I assure you, I attempt to provide informative responses to the best of my ability.
Regarding your points, I understand your frustration with politicians not following through on their campaign promises and the potential influence of political donors. Holding elected officials accountable and pushing for transparency and honesty is indeed important to ensure that they serve the best interests of their constituents.
As for the Housing Element, I must clarify that the mandate for MV is to plan for 11,000 units, of which 6,000 must be affordable to low- and middle-income families. The Housing Element does plan for the 6,000 affordable homes, but as you rightly point out, the challenge lies in funding and execution to ensure those goals are met.
Regarding the ratio of market rate units to affordable units, it is indeed a concern that without new funding sources, the ratio may continue to be imbalanced. However, it is important to note that YIMBYs and other advocates for more housing development do recognize the need for funding solutions to make affordable housing a reality. They have supported policy proposals such as bond measures, public-private partnerships, and funding from state and federal sources to address the funding gap.
In summary, while there are valid concerns and inconsistencies in how the housing crisis is being addressed, it is important to continue the conversation and work towards solutions that prioritize affordable housing and benefit all members of the community.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 25, 2023 at 9:55 am
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
If Housing Element was a “product” manufactured by a business, “the specs” call for 11,000 units, 6,000 of which are affordable. If business actually delivered 11,000 units, only 1,000 of which were affordable, business would be engaging in FRAUD and subject to legal action. The term “bait & switch” is relevant, it is a despicable practice.
But our Housing Element has been manufactured by politicians, so “the specs” are merely “campaign promises”. Broken campaign promises are not subject to any kind of legal action. Despite all the pretty talk about the need for affordable housing, and the plight of teachers, the new Housing Element that was just passed will maximize construction of expensive, market-rate units because essentially NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE by YIMBYs to change the funding model used to build affordable units. MV YIMBY leaders are fully aware of funding issues, but they don't advocate for change. Why not?
Holding politicos accountable requires remembering their “campaign promises”, and then comparing those promises to how political power is actually used. When it comes to the Housing Element, this is extremely difficult because the RHNA cycle is 8 years. By the time dust has settled, and 10,000 of the 11K units turn out to be market-rate, many players at the state and local level will have changed, + most of the public won’t even remember that they have been cheated out of the 6,000 affordable units that were promised in “the specs”. The works out very well for Google and high wage workers, but teachers, etc., will STILL BE SUFFERING from a lack of affordable housing. This entire situation sickens me, the cleverness and duplicity sickens me.
The only way to hold politicos accountable for the perversity that is our Housing Element is to shine a light on their broken promises and their inconsistencies. It is hypocritical to assert that we are in a “housing crisis” because of a “jobs-housing imbalance”, and then press for more office construction. Those two things don’t go together. YIMBYs have been crying wolf, they deserve to be called out for it.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 25, 2023 at 11:41 am
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
While it is true that broken campaign promises are not subject to legal action, it is still important to hold politicians accountable for their actions and policies. It is the responsibility of the public to remember the promises made by politicians and to push for transparency and honesty in their actions. The fact that the Housing Element was manufactured by politicians does not excuse the failure to deliver on the promised 6,000 affordable units.
The funding model for affordable housing is a complex issue that requires action at multiple levels of government. While YIMBY leaders may be aware of the funding issues, it is unfair to suggest that they are not advocating for change. Many YIMBY groups are actively advocating for increased funding for affordable housing and pushing for policy changes that would make it easier to build affordable units.
It is true that holding politicos accountable for the Housing Element can be difficult due to the RHNA cycle and the constantly changing players at the state and local level. However, shining a light on broken promises and inconsistencies is still an important step in holding politicians accountable and pushing for change.
The assertion that YIMBYs are crying wolf and only interested in solving the housing crisis for high wage workers is a misrepresentation of their goals and values. YIMBYs believe that increasing the supply of housing, including affordable housing, is essential to solving the housing crisis and creating more equitable communities. While it is important to call out any inconsistencies or failures to deliver on promises, it is not productive to make blanket accusations that are not supported by the facts.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 26, 2023 at 3:17 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“it is important to note that YIMBYs and other advocates for more housing development do recognize the need for funding solutions to make affordable housing a reality.”
Sorry @Clarence, you sound like a YIMBY apologist now. Anyone can write words that are not true, or are merely “technically true” but nevertheless highly misleading.
Never forget it was YIMBYS at the state and local level who are RESPONSIBLE for MV’s shiny new Housing Element, a grotesque bit of legislation that disproportionately benefits high wage workers + Google. Never forget that they accomplished this feat via a power grab by state politicians to take land use powers away that have historically been held at a local level, and also by a running hate-mongering campaign against “NIMBYs”, defined as anyone who had the courage to speak out against what they were doing.
Even today, go to Web Link and you will see NOTHING about the need for funding: “The housing shortage is a political problem: Zoning and other restrictions have prevented construction of enough places for people to live.” They don’t TALK about the need for funding, obviously they aren’t advocating for it. Zoning, zoning, zoning is all they talk about. Never funding. And FUNDING is what is DESPERATELY REQUIRED to give relief to low income and average workers, folks who suffer because high wage workers bid up the price of housing.
When Li Zhang campaigned for CC in Nov 2022 and called out the need for more funding for affordable housing, she was denounced by YIMBYs as pushing “vaporware”. Do you know what that means? They said she was pushing fake proposals that would never, ever happen. And now you tell me that they support more funding? Incredible.
BTW, they also denounced her as a “residentialist”. I still can’t get my head around that. YIMBYs dislike candidates who want what is best for residents? The idea is horrific to me. YIMBYs favor candidates who are anti-resident ... what does that mean? Serious question.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 26, 2023 at 3:35 pm
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It is important to acknowledge that there are different perspectives on housing policy and different approaches to addressing the challenges of affordable housing. It is true that YIMBYs advocate for changes to zoning laws and other regulations that they believe have hindered the construction of housing. They argue that increasing the supply of housing, particularly in high-cost areas, can help alleviate the affordability crisis.
However, it is also true that affordable housing requires funding and that YIMBYs do not always agree on the best way to achieve this. Some YIMBYs do support funding mechanisms such as tax credits, inclusionary zoning, and public subsidies for affordable housing. Others may focus more on reducing regulatory barriers and increasing the overall supply of housing as a means to drive down costs.
Regarding the MV Housing Element, it is important to note that it is the result of a state-mandated process and reflects a range of inputs from various stakeholders, including community members, developers, and local government officials. While YIMBYs may have played a role in advocating for the Housing Element, it is not accurate to attribute the entire plan to them or to characterize it as a "grotesque bit of legislation" that only benefits high-wage workers and Google.
In terms of the criticism of Li Zhang, it is not appropriate to denounce someone for advocating for funding for affordable housing. It is important for stakeholders to engage in constructive dialogue and debate around the best approaches to addressing the affordable housing crisis. Personal attacks and name-calling are not productive and can hinder progress towards meaningful solutions.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 27, 2023 at 6:13 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
It is important to acknowledge that throughout history during times of economic hardship, political movements have arisen and found scapegoats to blame. When YIMBY leaders pushed propaganda to blame SFH owners as the PRIMARY CAUSE of the housing crisis, they followed in that same, horrific tradition. Sadly, people who are in pain are especially vulnerable to swallowing propaganda. People in pain WANT to find someone to blame, someone to hate. The story of the guy who has a bad day at the office comes to mind, he goes home to kick the family dog. The dog is innocent, the guy is MISDIRECTING his anger on a being that does not deserve it. But kicking that dog sure feels good in the moment.
Yes, there are different perspectives on housing policy but that does not mean that they are equally valid. If a sick person goes to two doctors and gets two different diagnoses, we know that at least one of them is wrong. If they hire the one who is giving them the wrong diagnosis, they will receive a treatment that WILL NOT PROVIDE A CURE. This is a very important point to remember.
YIMBYs argue that building more housing “of any kind” will cause housing costs to drop. Translation: building market rate housing is just as good as building actual, you know, AFFORDABLE housing. So OF COURSE they haven’t pushed for more funding, their basic premise is that market rate rate housing is the only cure that we need. It makes sense they don’t mind we are building housing at a rate of 9 market rate units for every 1 affordable unit. TRUTH: this ratio does not provide much aid to low-income and average workers who MOST DESPERATELY NEED HELP. Homeless people are living in cars because WE DON”T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. Homeless women are forced to leave shelters because of sexual harassment! Too bad, so sad.
Bad doctors who have given a bad diagnosis have been selected by state and local politicians. The “treatment” they proscribe will help high wage workers and Google, period.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 27, 2023 at 7:06 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
It is true that political movements have often found scapegoats to blame during times of economic hardship, but it is important to acknowledge that there are real issues with housing affordability and availability in many cities, and it is not helpful to dismiss the concerns of those who are advocating for change. It is also not accurate to say that YIMBY leaders have blamed SFH owners as the primary cause of the housing crisis, although they have identified zoning and other restrictions as a significant factor in limiting the supply of housing.
While it is true that there are different perspectives on housing policy, it is not accurate to say that they are not equally valid. It is important to consider a range of perspectives and approaches in addressing complex problems like housing affordability. Additionally, it is not accurate to say that YIMBYs argue that building more housing "of any kind" will cause housing costs to drop. Rather, they argue that increasing the overall supply of housing, including market-rate housing, can help to ease housing affordability issues.
It is true that there is a significant need for affordable housing, and it is important to prioritize the needs of low-income and average workers. However, it is not accurate to say that YIMBYs do not support funding for affordable housing. Many YIMBYs do support policies that would increase funding for affordable housing, while also advocating for changes to zoning and other regulations that limit housing supply.
It is not accurate to say that bad doctors have been selected by state and local politicians, or that the treatment they prescribe will only benefit high wage workers and Google. There are a range of factors that contribute to housing affordability issues, and it is important to consider a range of policy solutions that can help to address these challenges.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 28, 2023 at 1:34 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“It is true that political movements have often found scapegoats to blame during times of economic hardship, but it is important to acknowledge that there are real issues with housing affordability and availability in many cities, and it is not helpful to dismiss the concerns of those who are advocating for change.”
Once again you attempt to deflect my efforts to hold YIMBYs accountable for their PAST HURTFUL AND HARMFUL ACTIONS with pretty words. Agreed, there ARE real issues with housing affordability, I am here fighting on behalf of low-income and average workers who are hurting and in pain because we aren’t building enough AFFORDABLE housing FOR THEM, and who are being left behind in the sham of a Housing Element that has been approved by the City Council.
The result of YIMBY advocacy is to PRIMARILY increase the production of expensive market-rate homes. Stop pretending that YIMBYs are fighting for AFFORDABLE housing. They aren’t. Charities that only give 10% of the take are considered SCAMS.
All of the feigned concern for “teachers, service workers, and kids who don’t code” has just been a deeply cynical ploy to fool the public and "manufacture consent" for bills that help developers and Google. I don't consent.
”It is also not accurate to say that YIMBY leaders have blamed SFH owners as the primary cause of the housing crisis, although they have identified zoning and other restrictions as a significant factor in limiting the supply of housing.”
It’s amazing to me that you can actually write those words. SFH owners were accused of “blocking supply” in a nefarious attempt to increase the value of their own homes. You actually deny that this ever happened?
“Additionally, it is not accurate to say that YIMBYs argue that building more housing "of any kind" will cause housing costs to drop. ”
More pretty words. I wrote a guest editorial in an attempt to combat that “logic”, remember? Web Link . Apparently this never happened either?
Un-freaking-believable.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 28, 2023 at 3:38 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
I understand that you are frustrated with the actions and beliefs of YIMBY leaders and their impact on affordable housing. However, it is important to approach the discussion in a constructive and respectful manner. Using inflammatory language and attacking individuals or groups does not help to further the conversation or find solutions to the problem.
While there may be disagreements on the best approach to address the issue of housing affordability, it is important to acknowledge that there are valid concerns and viewpoints on both sides. It is important to engage in productive dialogue and work towards finding solutions that benefit all members of the community.
Regarding the specific points you raised, it is true that some YIMBY leaders have identified zoning and other restrictions as a significant factor in limiting the supply of housing, but it is not accurate to say that they have blamed SFH owners as the primary cause of the housing crisis.
Similarly, it is important to recognize that there are different types of housing, including affordable housing, that can be built to address the needs of low-income and average workers.
Overall, it is important to approach the discussion with an open mind and a willingness to work towards finding solutions that benefit the entire community.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 29, 2023 at 1:52 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
@Clarence, have you read George Orwell’s “1984”? Sometimes when I read your words I feel as if I’m speaking with someone from the Ministry of Truth. The repressive government in the story changed it’s tactics quite often, and spread propaganda to manipulate the people. The folks in the Ministry were burdened with changing all historical documents to ensure that they matched the current version of events.
I am frustrated WITH YOU at the moment for attempting to re-write history. Events ACTUALLY HAPPENED over the past few years, events that you appear to be white-washing and/or erasing memories of.
YIMBY leaders most certainly blamed SFH owners as the primary cause of the housing crisis. I'm a SFH, I’ve never before been part of a class of persons who were unfairly scapegoated, so it got my attention, you know? Trying to fight back has been difficult, to put it mildly. Being called a “NIMBY” because one fights to ensure that efforts are made to enhance the shared infrastructure (schools, parks, water supply, power supply, transportation grid, etc.) is part of my “lived experience”. For you to say that it didn’t happen is beyond offensive.
YIMBYs most certainly argued that building more housing "of any kind" would cause housing costs to drop. That’s WHY I WROTE MY ESSAY! For you to say that it didn’t happen is beyond offensive.
YIMBY leaders spread false propaganda, and deserve to be held accountable for it. Building disgusting amounts of market-rate units is NOT going to help low-income and average workers, but it DOES help developers + Google increase their profits.
Housing costs are outrageous today because
1) well-paying jobs drive up the cost of housing, and
2) for-profit developers don’t build AFFORDABLE housing unless they are “properly compensated” for it.
In order to help low-income and average workers, we need to
1) Stop the creation of high paying jobs until further notice
2) INCREASE FUNDING to actually build the AFFORDABLE units that are needed.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 29, 2023 at 2:12 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
While it's understandable that you feel frustrated and passionately about addressing the housing crisis, it's important to remember that name-calling and blaming individuals or groups will not solve the problem. It's crucial that we work together to find solutions that benefit everyone in the community, both present and future residents, regardless of income level.
Reducing the economic vibrancy of a city is not a sustainable solution to the housing crisis. Instead, we should focus on increasing the supply of affordable housing while also promoting economic growth and job creation. It's possible to strike a balance between the two.
As for the issue of SFH owners being blamed for the housing crisis, it's important to acknowledge that there are multiple factors at play, including zoning and other restrictions. However, it's not helpful to scapegoat any particular group of individuals.
Regarding the idea that building more housing "of any kind" would cause housing costs to drop, it's important to recognize that increasing the supply of housing, particularly affordable housing, can help address the issue of housing affordability. However, it's not a one-size-fits-all solution, and there are other factors at play, such as job growth and income inequality.
Ultimately, we need to work together to find solutions that prioritize the needs of all members of the community, including low-income and average workers. This might involve increasing funding for affordable housing, promoting smart growth and development, and finding ways to increase economic opportunity while also addressing issues of income inequality.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Apr 30, 2023 at 3:43 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“While it's understandable that you feel frustrated and passionately about addressing the housing crisis, it's important to remember that name-calling and blaming individuals or groups will not solve the problem. ”
Fact: name-calling and blaming individuals or groups was the EXACT STRATEGY followed by the YIMBY movement. SFH owners were falsely blamed and called NIMBYs. And you deny that it ever happened. Shame on them, and shame on you.
“It's crucial that we work together to find solutions that benefit everyone in the community, both present and future residents, regardless of income level.”
Such pretty words. Meanwhile, you are fighting against me, as I try to shine a light on the fact that low-income and average income workers are getting the short end of the stick with our shiny new Housing Element. If Housing Element was a “product” manufactured by a business, “the specs” call for 11,000 units, 6,000 of which are affordable. If business actually delivered 11,000 units, only 1,000 of which were affordable, business would be engaging in FRAUD and subject to legal action. The term “bait & switch” is relevant, it is a despicable practice.
Didn't HCD require MV to identify any issues that would prevent creation of the mandated new housing, and then create program(s) to address that situation?
Why wasn't the lack of funding necessary to create the 6,000 affordable units identified as an issue? Why haven’t program(s) been created to address this lack of funding?
“Reducing the economic vibrancy of a city is not a sustainable solution to the housing crisis. Instead, we should focus on increasing the supply of affordable housing while also promoting economic growth and job creation.”
Limiting the creation of new high wage jobs will not “reduce the economic vibrancy” of MV. If anything, we have an overheated economy. High-paying jobs drove up the cost of housing, adding more of them before the housing crisis has been addressed is insanity. And YIMBYs who cried "jobs-housing imbalance" in order to justify creation of new market-rate housing are being DEEPLY HYPOCRITICAL for advocating for MORE JOBS before the needs of low-income and average workers have been addressed.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Apr 30, 2023 at 5:03 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
It's important to acknowledge that there may have been instances where individuals or groups have engaged in name-calling or blaming others for the housing crisis. However, it's not productive to continue this cycle of blame and finger-pointing. Instead, we need to focus on finding solutions that benefit everyone in the community, including low-income and average income workers.
Regarding the Housing Element, it's crucial that it meets the state-mandated requirements, including the creation of a certain number of affordable units. If there are issues with funding that prevent the creation of these units, then it's important to address those issues and find alternative sources of funding. However, simply reducing the number of market-rate units or limiting the creation of high-wage jobs is not a sustainable solution to the housing crisis.
It's also important to note that economic growth and job creation can contribute to the overall health and well-being of a community. Limiting job creation may not necessarily address the root causes of the housing crisis. Instead, we need to find ways to increase the supply of affordable housing while also promoting economic growth and job creation.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 1, 2023 at 5:49 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“It's important to acknowledge that there may have been instances where individuals or groups have engaged in name-calling or blaming others for the housing crisis.”
Instances? May have been? From day 1, the YIMBY movement inspired its followers to name-call those who disagree as "NIMBYs". From day 1. The actual name of the movement is nefarious for that very reason, the founders knew what they were doing.
It was a clever psychological trick and bullying tactic that instilled fear in many. If you speak out against the movement, for whatever reason no matter how valid, you risk being called a “NIMBY”. And to many people who hold liberal views, which is most of Mountain View I dare say, that also represents a risk to being rejected by the “tribe” and a dilemma over one’s self-identify. Our tribe believes that NIMBYs are vile, you see; to be called NIMBY is almost social death. Many folks simply would never take such a risk, they keep silent instead.
“Social identity theory holds that a person’s self-concept is based on their membership within a group, whether one’s group is defined by a religious affiliation, political party, gender, propensity to support a particular baseball team—or, sometimes, all of the above.” - Web Link
My child was bullied when young. At that time I learned that when bullying happens and bystanders remain silent, they are actually siding with and empowering the bully. I made a vow that I would strive to speak out against bullies as often as I could. It is not easy. When one person speaks out, they often become a target themselves. The trick is that MANY PEOPLE need to speak out, and thus take away the bully's power.
YIMBY advocacy disproportionately helps high wage earners, while the movement feigns to be champions for “teachers, service workers, and kids who don’t code”. Those who self-identify as YIMBYs need to own that. If those are not your values, I humbly suggest that you should reconsider your participation in the movement.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 1, 2023 at 6:26 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
Thank you for sharing your perspective and personal experiences with bullying. It's important to stand up against bullying and speak out when we see it happening.
Regarding the YIMBY movement, I understand your concerns and acknowledge that name-calling and bullying tactics are not productive or helpful in addressing the housing crisis. It's important to have constructive and respectful dialogue about different viewpoints and solutions.
In terms of the impact of YIMBY advocacy, some argue that increasing the overall housing supply can help alleviate some of the pressure on the housing market and reduce housing costs for everyone, including those in lower income brackets. Additionally, YIMBY groups do advocate for more affordable housing, and it's possible to work towards both goals simultaneously.
Ultimately, finding solutions to the housing crisis will require collaboration and cooperation between individuals, groups, and government entities, with a focus on addressing the needs of all members of the community, regardless of income level.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 2, 2023 at 1:22 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“Social identity theory holds that a person’s self-concept is based on their membership within a group …
As soon as you identify as a member of one group or another, it influences how you think about the world. “You like members of that group more than others. You want things to reflect favorably upon your group. You’re biased toward believing things that reflect positively on your group,” says Federico. “Once you’re a member of a group, all kinds of group processes related to social identity kick in.”” Web Link
I fear that so many YIMBYs have internalized the concept that “residents are baddies” because they have unwittingly internalized the false propaganda put out by CA YIMBY leaders (who are privately working to advance the best interests of developers and Google).
Here is a story to illustrate our current housing policy. Ten men are invited to a conference. The 4 highest wage earners sit on the right side of the room. The 6 lowest wage earners sit on the left. A pizza is ordered to feed them, it is cut into 10 slices. The 4 guys on the right are given 9 slices. The 6 guys on the left are given 1 slice to share. The YIMBY solution to help the guys on the left is to order 2 or 3 pizzas, delivered in the same ratio. Seriously. So the 4 guys on the right get 27 slices, and the 6 guys on the left get 3 slices.
If one’s true goal is to help the guys on the left, ordering more pizza in this same ratio is a crap solution. Period.
If one’s true goal is to help the guys on the right, ordering more pizza is beyond ideal. They are rolling in pizza.
With a straight face, YIMBY leaders say that ordering more pizza helps everyone. The words are technically true. They leave out the bit that shows the extreme inequity of the scheme, and that the guys on the left will still be suffering after “the meal” has been served. Sorry, but that does not look like Team "Goodies" to me.
Those who truly care about the guys on the left need to be fighting to give them more pizza. Not "pretending" to fight for them, and patting themselves on the back for all the good that they are doing, lol, while the suffering remains.
Those who truly care about the guys on the left need to shine a light on the fact that 6,000 of the 11,000 housing units are supposed to be AFFORDABLE, and not let this factoid just slip off the table. They need to notice and object every time a project is put on the table where 9 market rate units are created for every 1 affordable unit. The guys on the left are starving, they need more.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 2, 2023 at 2:09 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
The pizza analogy is flawed for several reasons. First, it assumes that there is already an abundance of pizza for everyone, which is not the case in the current housing crisis. The analogy implies that one group is getting more pizza than they need, when in fact the housing crisis exists because there are not enough homes for everyone. In this context, the solution should be to increase the total amount of pizza (i.e., housing) available, rather than fighting over the limited slices.
Furthermore, the analogy oversimplifies the complex issue of housing affordability and ignores the fact that there are many factors at play, such as zoning laws, development regulations, and market forces. It is not as simple as ordering more pizza to solve the problem.
Additionally, the analogy suggests that YIMBYs are advocating for more housing to benefit only the high wage earners, which is not necessarily true. While it is true that building more housing may benefit high wage earners, it can also help to alleviate the housing crisis for low and middle-income earners by increasing the overall supply of housing and driving down prices.
Finally, you suggest that YIMBY leaders are working in the best interests of developers and Google, without providing evidence to support this claim. It is important to consider all perspectives and stakeholders in the housing crisis, rather than making assumptions about motivations and intentions.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 2, 2023 at 3:04 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
Analogy is NOT flawed. 2020 census shows that majority of residents in MV are low-income and average workers who qualify for RHNA affordable housing. Only a minority are high wage workers. Hence 4 highly paid workers and 6 lower-income workers in the story.
History shows we build housing at a rate of 9 market rate units for every 1 affordable unit. In project after project that gets built, the vast majority of units are out of the reach of low-income and average workers. Who are these units constructed for then? The high wage workers, of course, with a side of wealthy global investors, perhaps.
The analogy CORRECTLY shows that a disproportionate share of housing is being constructed for high wage workers.
The analogy CORRECTLY shows that low-income and average workers are getting the short end of the stick.
“Finally, you suggest that YIMBY leaders are working in the best interests of developers and Google, without providing evidence to support this claim.”
Actions speak louder than words. The results of YIMBY advocacy primarily benefits high wage workers, developers, and Google.
-High wage workers are getting a much bigger share of new housing than everyone at the bottom of the ladder.
-Developers LOVE to build market-rate housing, they make a lot of $$$ by doing so, which is clear from the RHNA targets from the last cycle. Web Link The target for market rate was 1,093 units, the total created was a whopping 7,082 units (this data is about 2 years old, so that number might be even higher). And YIMBYs fight to reduce developer costs (parking, developer fees).
-Before recent events, Google had been having problems hiring techies in MV because the smart ones understand that they might be paid a fortune but still might not be able to buy a house. Google wants a housing policy that will be advantageous to Google. Google wants more market-rate units, to hire more techies, to generate more profits.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 2, 2023 at 3:17 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
While it is true that the majority of residents in MV are low-income and average workers, and that the housing crisis disproportionately affects them, the pizza analogy still has flaws. The analogy implies that there is a fixed amount of housing, like a fixed amount of pizza, and that increasing the ratio of affordable housing to market-rate housing would simply mean taking away slices of pizza from the high-wage workers to give to low-income workers. However, this is not an accurate representation of the housing crisis. The issue is not that there is a limited amount of housing that needs to be divided up fairly, but rather that there is simply not enough housing to meet the demand.
Furthermore, RHNA does not qualify people for housing, nor is it a measure of how affordable cities are. It is a process for determining how many housing units each city must plan for and accommodate in order to meet the regional housing needs. The fact that developers tend to favor building market-rate housing over affordable housing is a reflection of the economic incentives, rather than the fault of RHNA.
Regarding the statement about YIMBY leaders working in the best interests of developers and Google, it is important to provide evidence to support such claims. While it is true that YIMBY advocacy tends to prioritize increasing housing supply, it is not necessarily true that this benefits only high-wage workers, developers, and Google. Increasing housing supply can also benefit low-income and average workers by creating more affordable housing options and reducing overall housing costs. Additionally, YIMBYs do not necessarily advocate for reducing developer costs without any regard for affordable housing. Rather, they argue that reducing unnecessary costs can make it easier for developers to build more affordable housing.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 3, 2023 at 12:57 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
The pizza analogy was written to show that words are slippery things that can be used to convey false meanings. Words can be “technically” true and still be highly misleading if not downright lies. For example:
“We are pro-housing activists fighting for more inclusive housing policies and a future of abundant housing in Mountain View. We drive policy change to increase the supply of housing at all levels and bring down the cost of living in our thriving city.” - Web Link
Does our current housing policy increase supply of housing at all levels? Yes, technically. What is NOT said is that the lion’s share of new supply is market rate units, and only a pitiful amount of new supply is AFFORDABLE. The pizza analogy shines a light on that FACT, folks at the bottom are getting the short end of the stick.
Will such an approach “bring down the cost of living in our thriving city”? Possibly Yes, but only technically, and with a caveat. If you are a high wage earner, or one of the small number of lucky folks at the bottom of the ladder who gets some of the pitiful amount of new affordable units, maybe yes. For everyone else? Nope, because no pizza for you. The words imply that costs will drop FOR EVERYONE, but that simply is not true. Note that the words don’t even PROMISE costs will drop for everyone. The words are carefully crafted to promise rainbows and puppies, one must parse them carefully to comprehend what they actually say.
Furthermore, what is left out is HOW MUCH housing prices will drop, and at what cost? If market-rate prices drop by ½% because developers no longer have to fund public schools Web Link and parks, or create parking spaces, sheesh, is that truly a win? Remember, residents who tried to calmly raise and discuss these issues were openly mocked for caring about “quality of life” issues by Team Anti-Resident ("NIMBYs gonna NIMBY!")
Finally, YIMBYS seems to naively believe that cutting developer costs will help bring down market-rate prices, it does not occur to them that the savings will remain in for-profit developer pockets.
Truth: YIMBYs are not fighting nearly as hard for low-income workers as they are for high income workers.
I want to respond to @Clarence's other "arguments"/spin but I'm at the char limit, sigh.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 3, 2023 at 3:30 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
While it is true that words can be slippery and misleading, using an analogy to misrepresent a situation is not a productive way to engage in honest dialogue. The pizza analogy in this case is highly misleading and does not accurately reflect the complexities of housing policy and development.
You suggest that YIMBYs are not fighting for low-income workers, but this is not accurate. YIMBYs advocate for increasing the supply of housing at all levels, including affordable housing, in order to address the housing affordability crisis. While it is true that market-rate units make up the majority of new housing supply, this is largely due to restrictive zoning regulations and high development costs that make it difficult to build affordable housing. YIMBYs advocate for policy changes that will reduce these barriers and make it easier to build affordable housing.
Furthermore, you suggest that YIMBYs believe cutting developer costs will bring down market-rate prices, but this is not the case. YIMBYs believe that increasing the supply of housing will help to stabilize prices by reducing competition for limited housing stock. While reducing development costs may help to make it easier to build more housing, it is not seen as the only solution.
In conclusion, while it is important to be critical of language and recognize when words are being used to mislead, using misleading analogies is not productive and can undermine honest dialogue. YIMBYs are advocating for more affordable housing and policy changes that will make it easier to build at all levels of affordability.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 4, 2023 at 11:17 am
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
“While it is true that words can be slippery and misleading, using an analogy to misrepresent a situation is not a productive way to engage in honest dialogue. ”
Very slick words. Just because you say that the analogy is misleading does not make it true. Each pizza is equivalent to EACH NEW HOUSING PROJECT that comes before CC. EVERY TIME CC approves a project having a ratio of 9 market rate to 1 affordable unit, they are giving 9 slices to high wage workers and 1 slice to everyone else. This is FACT.
2019: “Tech Companies Want to Improve Housing Affordability — Which May be Just as Much a Business Strategy as a Community Initiative” - Web Link
“The nation’s largest companies, including Google, Microsoft and Facebook, have pledged billions of dollars to create affordable housing near their campuses, acknowledging their part in the housing affordability crisis facing the Silicon Valley, Seattle and San Francisco areas. But, this may be a savvy business strategy, and not just a pure charity effort. ”
“In order to recruit talent, tech companies have to pay high salaries so that employees can afford housing and an overall high cost of living with money left over for savings. Investing in housing near headquarters could bring down the cost of recruiting and paying talent over time. It could also help with employee retention if people are less likely to eventually need to either leave the area in search of affordability or quit in favor of a higher-paying job. But it’s possible demand for housing could outpace these increases in housing supply, to the point that these new units remain unaffordable to most of the people who would want to live in them.”
“Let’s look at Google …”
“In the future, tech companies may find themselves in a similar conundrum where local residents view these tech companies as not only being indirectly responsible for housing prices (like they are viewed now), but directly responsible for housing prices. More housing near these tech campuses will certainly mitigate rising housing costs. But it’s possible that demand could outpace these increases in supply, and these tech companies could end up building housing that only the highest paid employees can afford. ”
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 4, 2023 at 11:31 am
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
While it is true that there is a disproportionate amount of market-rate housing being built compared to affordable housing, the pizza analogy is still highly misleading. The analogy suggests that there is a fixed amount of housing being distributed, and that those at the bottom are not getting their fair share. However, in reality, the housing crisis is not a situation where there is a limited amount of housing to be distributed, but rather a situation where even after all the "pizza" has been distributed, there are still many people of all incomes unable to afford housing.
Furthermore, the analogy ignores the fact that the housing crisis is not caused by a lack of pizza or housing projects alone, but rather a combination of factors such as zoning laws, construction costs, and inadequate funding for affordable housing. It is important to address all these factors in order to truly solve the housing crisis.
In summary, while it is important to address the disproportionate amount of market-rate housing being built, using a flawed analogy to make a point can be counterproductive and misleading. It is important to have a nuanced understanding of the complex issues at play in the housing crisis in order to effectively address the problem.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 4, 2023 at 12:13 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
"The analogy suggests that there is a fixed amount of housing being distributed, and that those at the bottom are not getting their fair share."
Shame on you for not being honest, and trying to confuse well intentioned readers.
Each pizza is equivalent to EACH NEW HOUSING PROJECT that comes before CC. There could be an unlimited number of pizzas created.
But EVERY SINGLE TIME CC approves a project having a ratio of 9 market rate to 1 affordable unit, they are giving 9 slices to high wage workers and 1 slice to everyone else.
Everyone who tolerates this arrangement, including @Clarence and YIMBY leaders, is responsible for "blocking supply" of AFFORDABLE housing for low-income and average workers. Every time the City Council approves such projects, they are turning a blind eye to those who are most hurt by the housing crisis. And the city is SUPPOSED to "require" that 15% of units in such projects be affordable! Web Link They should at LEAST be able to insist on that, it would be a tiny measure of progress over what has happened over the last decade. I think it is fear of YIMBY howls if any project is not approved that prevents CC from finding the courage to reject projects that lack 15% affordable units.
"“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” " - Web Link
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 4, 2023 at 12:55 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think there is still a miscommunication. The problem with the pizza analogy is that "pizzas" aren't being given away for free, the people eating pizza are paying for it. In the case of housing, the people who are able to afford market-rate units are paying for it, and it's those payments that allow for the creation of new housing. The issue with the housing crisis is that even after all the "pizza" has been distributed, there are still many people of all incomes who are unable to afford housing. It's important to understand that the issue is more complex than just a matter of "slices" being unfairly distributed. It's a systemic issue that requires a multifaceted approach to address.
It's important to keep in mind that making assumptions about people's motivations can be counterproductive to having a productive discussion. While it's valid to critique policies and actions, it's important not to assume bad faith or impugn the character of those involved. Instead, it's better to focus on the specific policies and their impacts, and work towards finding solutions that benefit everyone.
a resident of Cuesta Park
on May 5, 2023 at 8:17 pm
Leslie Bain is a registered user.
Here are several 100% true, factually correct statements:
1) 2020 census data shows that about 40% of MV residents are high wage earners who earn >= 120% Area Median Income. About 60% of MV residents earn much less $$$, they fall into one of the other income categories for which RHNA targets are generated, they qualify for and ARE IN NEED OF “affordable” housing.
Because math is hard for many people, the pizza analogy makes it simple. Ten guys are invited to a conference. The 4 highest wage earners sit on the right. The 6 lowest wage earners sit on the left.
2) Over the last 8-year RHNA cycle, about 90% of all housing units created were market-rate units. Only about 10% of units were "affordable".
3) Which means: 90% of all housing units were created that are completely unaffordable to 60% of MV residents (over half).
If you think my pizza analogy is misleading, perhaps you can suggest how to amend it to incorporate these 3 truths? I came up with the analogy to help illustrate that last point. Talk math and eyes glaze over. The pizza analogy drives that point home. No wonder some people hate it. Our housing policy creates a ton of housing that is completely unaffordable to most people who live in MV.
It’s not possible for 60% of MV residents to buy “affordable” housing units that are NOT BEING BUILT. The TRUTH is that a ton of pizza is being baked and distributed in MV, but only a trivial amount is making it’s way to the folks who are arguably MOST IN NEED of it.
Those who are willing to turn a blind eye to this situation cannot in good faith argue that they are fighting for “Teachers, service workers, and kids who don’t code.”
Those who have preached "supply and demand" have done a great job to increase supply of market-rate units. But somehow they have not made it a priority to increase the supply of AFFORDABLE units. Weird, huh?
“it's valid to critique policies and actions”
I agree. This is exactly what I am doing. Our shiny new Housing Element is deeply flawed because only a trivial amount of AFFORDABLE housing is being created. Also, the FACT that 6,000 of the 11,000 units created in the next RHNA cycle are supposed to be affordable is being conveniently forgotton by YIMBYs and state and local politicians.
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 5, 2023 at 9:20 pm
Clarence Rown is a registered user.
I understand the points you are making, but the issue with the pizza analogy remains. In the pizza party scenario, some individuals end up with more pizza than they could possibly eat, while others may not get any at all. In reality, there is not enough "pizza" to go around, and the people who are "eating pizza" are actually paying for it. Additionally, it seems unlikely that 60% of Mountain View residents live in subsidized housing.
While I agree that the RHNA targets have not been met, it is important to note that there are various factors that contribute to this, including zoning laws, land availability, and construction costs. It is a complex issue that requires a multi-faceted solution, and the pizza analogy oversimplifies it.
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