how to enforce, ID please? Have you been drinking fluids or have a cough, turn around we will handcuff you now.

This appears to be possibly going to make things worse.

After just 1 day of being coped up in your home whether you are alone or with others, this will raise significant distress.

There are known risks in this plan.

The possibility of increased occurrences of domestic problems is almost guaranteed.

And those with either emotional or mental issues will be at extreme risk of self harm.

This is an action simply because our health system simply cannot deal with this situation, it was designed for profit and not for actually being a "health-care" system.

I for example tried to get away from my place because I live alone, and when I went to Starbucks, they aren't even allowing people to sit in the place anymore.

This is going to cause even more economic damage, the fact is we have to probably implement a planed infection process so that we can "control" the impact with the least economic damage. Look what happened to the "market" today.

Placing everyone into in effect house arrest for a situation they didn't even cause is just going to frustrate people and when frustrated bad things can occur that would not be considered otherwise.

"asked to stay within 6 feet of other people"

I believe you meant "at least 6 feet away from." As currently phrased it is the opposite of the official instructions.

(Also, isn't it past time to censor the obsessive crank commenter above ["The Business Man"] who can be relied upon to post wierd eccentric belabored commentaries on everything (followed by *interminable* defensive replies, read by no one else, to any criticism whatsoever)? The person is clearly troubled, and verbal diarrhea on the Town Square website is not useful therapy.

Correction

What are people supposed to do if the order says:

"ORDER OF THE HEALTH OFFICER OF THE COUNTY OF SANTA CLARA DIRECTING ALL INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THE COUNTY TO SHELTER AT THEIR PLACE OF RESIDENCE EXCEPT THAT THEY MAY LEAVE TO PROVIDE OR RECEIVE CERTAIN ESSENTIAL SERVICES OR ENGAGE IN CERTAIN ESSENTIAL ACTIVITIES AND WORK FOR ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES...

That is in essence house arrest. All I am saying is this approach may be more dangerous than the alternatives.

I will not comment on anything else you wrote, it simply isn't on topic.

Gary, I agree with you in many ways but also have a disagreement.

I watched the movie Contagion in 2011 in the theaters, (which all of the REgal theaters are closed now). Ut scared the (BLANK) out of me. I got the Blue Ray Disc and its bonus features discussed the scientists that advised the movie, and scared me more.

I cannot argue Donald Trump having no governmental experience probably made the response worse.

But since we have a "Private" health care service system, we were always in trouble regarding this.

The American Healthcare system cannot actually take these risks into account because shareholders demand their dividends or share price growth.

This may be the event that might require the U.S. to transition back to a public healthcare model. Simply put the private system will not pay to ensure we have resources necessary for events like this.

I know I am one to talk, I am a big fan of good private industry, but the U.S. is proving that there are areas where it doesn't work. Healthcare appears to be a BIG one.

> That is in essence house arrest. All I am saying is this approach may be more dangerous than the alternatives.

Sure. Make up some numbers. After that, find one epidemiologist who agrees with you.

Just one nationally respected epidemiologist.

Good luck with that.


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New thread, basic facts on why we are here: Trump fired the National Pandemic team three years ago. Trump/Pence refused the offer of millions of tests from the WHO in January.

Safeway and Lucky were packed today. No way you can keep 6’ away when navigating crowded aisles. Shouldn’t these stores limit the number of shoppers inside at one time? Some grocery stores in Massachusetts are setting up special hours just for shoppers over 70 years old. I hope there will be more rules and guidelines so we can all get through this in a safe, sane, and orderly way.

@ shopping: Zanotto has special senior hours, 8 to 9 am for 60 and over.
9 am regular opening time

In response to Trump fired the national pandemic team you said:

“Sure. Make up some numbers. After that, find one epidemiologist who agrees with you.

Just one nationally respected epidemiologist.

Good luck with that.”

I have no specific epidemiologists report J.F. Y .I. but the CDC does issue a report online found here (Web Link

The CDC website discusses the issue of how dangerous the coronavirus has been reported and how large the risk is on the general population. That information is reported here:

“Severity

The complete clinical picture with regard to COVID-19 is not fully known. Reported illnesses have ranged from very mild (including some with no reported symptoms) to severe, including illness resulting in death. While information so far suggests that most COVID-19 illness is mild, a report (from the New England Journal of Medicine found here (Web Link external icon out of China suggests serious illness occurs in 16% of cases. Older people and people of all ages with severe chronic medical conditions — like heart disease, lung disease and diabetes, for example — seem to be at higher risk of developing serious COVID-19 illness.”

So it could be that as much as 75% of the people can be infected with this disease and apparently have no serious issues at all. BUT, I am not discounting the fact that if 330,000,000 people are exposed that as much as 82,500,000 people will be at risk. This still is enough to cause such a negative impact on all of us, whether it is either in health or economic damage.

I am not making any promises, I am still in mostly agreement with you, just making sure you have some more information to consider.

The one thing we need to do is work together, and we need to support each other as well. But isolation is the significant impairment of support for all of us. We need to share this event and isolation is not necessarily the best solution, but it is the only one we have right now it seems.

Im waiting for someone start blaming the people living in RV's for bringing the coronavirus in the city.

@ Daffy. That would be the DONALD Duck. Don't try to pass it off on some other member of the Duck family. Which brings us back to the problem. Young people will become infected, maybe get sick, maybe not, but then pass the virus to old people - killing them. The carriers could be young or not-as-young people, in or from schools, stores, RV's, restaurants, City Hall, cruise ships, homes, AB&Bs - while getting gas or grabbing a Voice from a newsstand. Meanwhile, the economy will tank and services will be disrupted. Nothing like Syria. But not Disneyland anymore.

How about that movie CONTAGION (2011) available now on Cable? I am watching. The virus went from a pig to a bat to humans. Interesting stuff. It is likely what's happening now. So far, the virus in the movie seems more deadly than Covid-19. When something bad is coming, some may yell DUCK. But few will listen.

@business - you basically agree, but post a Doug-Moran-like word salad to conflate probable mental health issues with a model showing potentially millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Please do not do that.

Your valid point about mental health does not need false claims and comparisons to stand on it's own.

Also, re: DM, always remember brevity is king.... ;)

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Folks: Note that Trump is CURRENTLY in court with a case to throw out ObamaCare. How's that for timing?

This goes along with: Trump fired the National Pandemic Team in 2018.

Trump/Pence both turned down millions of tests offered by the WHO in January.

And: 30 members of the Trump admin were part of the hand-over exercise from the Obama team, who did several simulations to train for a pandemic and other disasters, in January 2017. 20 of those 30 Trumpettes are now out of government.

Trump's Executive Malfeasance is all over this pandemic.