If they go fwd with this, the city MUST plan for homeless camps to pop up surrounding this RV area.
Camps in the creeks and wetlands will increase from what is already an intolerable amount. The creeks and wetlands are their bathrooms. It's sad to say but it is true.

Many don't know but right now MV is being sued for human waste coming from our creeks and into the bay.
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It doesn't take a detective to guess where it's coming from.

Right now homeless camps from the Guadalupe R up into Steven's creek and northward are exploding. The city of SJ had to pay 100M to settle with the group that is suing MV.
This is costing us all AND polluting the natural areas left around us.
Please get the homeless out of our creeks and wetlands!

Steven’s Creek is full of plastic bottles, abandoned shopping carts and other trash. Why is city doesn’t do anything to prevent littering?

We don't get sued for trash but we do for humans waste in the waterways.
Trash is way down in the creeks btw, since the plastic bag ban, but again, remove the camps and we'll also have much less trash.
If we have RV's emptying their sewage into storm drains, which I personally have not seen but others have reported numerous times, that also is a cause of why we're being sued.

I’m 100% against this!
Surely Council knows that by doing this, it will never end and even if it does plan to “end this program” at some point, they will be demonized for ending it. They opened Pandora’s Box by allowing the RVs to stay wherever they want and now it’s a no-win situation. I feel that more and more RVs, and homeless in general, are coming to MV just because word is out that we don’t enforce our laws and/or ordinances/codes.
I really wish our City Council would say that enough-is-enough and listen to your constituents!

#giveaninchandtheywilltakeamile!

Any users should need to have proof that their last permanent residence was in MV. Otherwise we'll only attract more and more.
Also, if they do not sign a contract that they will accept housing if offered they should not qualify. We should not have to tolerate full time FREE campers by choice. If they want top remain in their RV after housing is offered, they need to find a spot and pay for it. The goal should be the overall reduction of RV dwellers, not just a place to put them all.

This should be only used as a helping hand up for MV people who need it and want to get into housing.

With a 24/7 RV parking lot we should be able to declare all current hot spots like Shoreline, Crisanto and Continental as "No parking for oversized vehicles" zones.If we do not do that, all spaces vacated by these RVs moving into the lot will be taken over by new RVs from surrounding areas.

No. Just no.

There is literally nothing to stop people from other towns from moving into Mountain View and parking overnight on our streets or a small RV lot.

This is a poorly thought out idea.

I wish the voice and some readers would stop referring to the RV Dwellers as "homeless". None of these people are homeless. The homeless are living in tents in the creeks. The RV Dwellers have chosen to live in their (mostly rented) RVs as a cheap, local alternative to a home that's farther away. Some have homes in other parts of the state and live in RVs during the week and return home on the weekends. Some work near MV and would rather live in an RV than commute. Some prefer to live cheaply to save for retirement. Some are high paid techies banking money. This article, albeit older, includes interviews with some of the RV Dwellers in Palo Alto. Web Link Read their stories.

It shouldn't be incumbent upon the taxpayers to find them a place to live adjacent to their workplace so that they don't have to commute like the thousands of other workers we see on the highways on a daily basis. Ban RV parking and the dwellers will find real homes in which to live. The true homeless are another story, they need care in mental hospitals as most are either mentally ill or addicted. Shelters can take in those that are neither. The "homeless" problem could be solved if those in power were really interested in compassionate care for those in need.

I’m all for RV parks with facilities. But I think they should charge for them. Maybe sliding scale, but not free.

I agree with 19 that this should not be a free program. There should be some rent for having space to park, at least as much as a concert goer pays for a space. That's pretty cheap for land in MV, which is expensive because it is where all the traffic is trying to go every morning - look at the traffic maps to confirm.
This location in Shoreline looks appealing since it is available without neighbors to complain, but there are no services that residents would need - grocery store or anything. So, long-term, that should be addressed.

You said,

"Many don't know but right now MV is being sued for human waste coming from our creeks and into the bay."
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This is not right.
The residents of our city should NOT have to constantly pay the bills for these RV dwellers. It is already well over a $1,000,000.00 of taxpayer money.

We should be able to sue individually the council members who have created this problem, who refused to stop it, and who only want to expand this program in our city.

Here is who should have money coming out of their bank account to start paying off all the costs that the tax payers have paid out so far. Now we also have to include attorney fees for this lawsuit, just ridiculous.

Lenny Siegel- running to be on council again, to have a tent city on every other sidewalk block.
Pat Showalther-running to be on council again.
Lucas Rameriz- currently on the council.
A. Hicks- currently on the council.

Why don't we create a sustainable market solution like allowing tiny homes in MV mobile home parks. Right now, city zoning sets mobile home sizes, prohibiting tiny homes, similar rules prohibit tiny homes in all MV neighborhoods. Tiny homes cost about the same as what people are paying for RVs, but tiny homes would be hooked up to utilities, more aesthetically appealing, and still provide both affordability, and in the case of the mobile home park in North Bayshore, close access to employers. They also have a far lower carbon footprint.

Tiny homes in mobile home and RV parks are being piloted in Palm Springs (Palm Canyon Mobile Park), Sacramento (Park Delta Bay), Portland, OR (Ann Arbor Mobile Home Park), Las Vegas (Aistream Park tied to Zappos employees), and Google has explorations for their own tiny homes (Factory OS).

We don't allow the market to provide tiny homes, and force people to rent $3000+ or buy $1 million plus, and we wonder why people live in their cars. People want to follow the laws, they just need more options.

24/7 Safe Parking is a move in the right direction
It should be only for former MV residents
They can be helped with water and sewage and garbage disposal
Social services can help them migrate to permanent housing

MV cannot solve the RV issues of entire Bay Area. MV has already spend
$2.2 M. Any money spent should focus on helping former MV residents

Lenny Siegel's idea of inviting RV from any where to park anywhere in MV
is wrong. It places an unfair burden on the resident who live where these RVs
choose to park. All of MV should help/support former MV residents; not just the residents where the RVs choose to park.

It is a tough life living in an RV. Getting all these things (water/garbage/sewage) taken care of is hard. So while I don't condone things like dumping sewage, I understand why we have these issue when you stick large number of RVs all over the city without water/garbage/sewage support. (Schlepping about 3 gallons of water per day to support 3 people in an RV is not fun; assuming each person needs about 1 gallon of water per day, and each gallon weighs about 8 pounds is about 24 pounds)

My understanding is that there was a time when there were just a few RVs, and city laws were changed to allow them to park in MV. But now, it seems that Lenny's team wants to let any RV from anywhere come park in MV. Now you have a problem of scale. That means dealing with dozens, perhaps over a hundred RVs, and their water, garbage,sewage disposal needs become an issue. This is clearly an unworkable plan for a medium sized city such as MV.

Safe Parking, 24X7, with support for water/garbage/sewage is the only compassionate practical plan being proposed. And the support should be focused on on helping former MV residents if we are to have any fiscal responsibility associated with this program. Rather than an open ended where you have no idea how much tax payers money will be spent

The advantage to having your "home" parked in downtown (or nearby) is that stores (and supplies) are available. To put everyone WAY out in Shoreline makes easy shopping impossible. Remember, these are folks that don't have a lot of extra money.

A better idea would be to set aside portions of mall / shopping center parking lots. This would give the residents access to things they need to survive. Crisanto Ave is a good site because of the adjacent park, bathrooms, and grocery store.

And the city should provide extra portable bathrooms and trash facilities. A truly good neighbor would ensure that shower trucks visited the region at least daily. Security? Absolutely.

Remember all you naysayers, not everyone has the resources you do. America is not just a land of rich. And these are your neighbors. They have jobs. They have children. Their kids go to school. Let's join up and take care of everyone.

Thanks for listening.

Step in the right direction. Agree with other posts it absolutely should not be free. A rental fee per month would be fair. Most RV dwellers have lived in the City for many years - get to know your neighbors. Yes, there are a handful that commute and live here during the week. I’m not for them one bit taking up a spot in the lot unless they can prove they had a permanent address here in the City before they needed to relocate. Also agree with another post remove access to parking for oversized vehicles on City streets as more permanent parking becomes available. Staggered though not all at once.