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Planning commission backs housing-heavy vision for Terra Bella

Original post made on Feb 23, 2019

For Mountain View's Environmental Planning Commission, the Terra Bella light industrial area represents a big opportunity for housing growth, but it comes with some serious challenges.


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Posted by Joe
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 23, 2019 at 1:18 pm

I think MV needs the housing. But any dense apartment growth needs to include sufficient parking, traffic mitigation and include some benefits to the local area.

Nobody wants their home affected negativity by huge construction projects that make life impossible for a few years during construction and then leave it overcrowded with traffic and zero parking where it was once a workable neighborhood. Build enough parking to alleviate the parking problem, or enough new access points to alleviate traffic jams, and share the new amenities with the neighbors.

Nanette: they are adding 100 new apartments over there.

Annette: that's going to ruin the neighborhood! Let's stop it!

Vs.

Nanette: they are building 200 new apartments over there but when it's done we can all use the pool on weekends. The laundry room will use credit cards or quarters and be open for all of us and it will include secure parking spots so parking on this street will get easier.

Annette: Oh finally! When will it be open?


Posted by YIMBY
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Feb 23, 2019 at 9:45 pm

@Joe

I'm all for good city planning, parks, amenities, and so on, but not as appeasement so existing homeowners will be so generous as to allow more housing for the millennials.


Posted by Jeremy Hoffman
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Feb 25, 2019 at 9:39 am

Jeremy Hoffman is a registered user.

Adding housing near the thousands of jobs along Shoreline is just what the doctor ordered.

I agree with Robert Cox that the jobs-housing imbalance should guide the planning process.

I agree with Margaret Capriles that they shouldn't put a blanket 2 story cap on any homes at this stage. I mean, I grew up in a single-family neighborhood, and one of my neighbor's homes was three stories. Believe it or not, it did not affect my quality of life.

I just wish my city had legalized multi-family housing so we could have had some duplexes on those lots. Instead, my neighborhood got nothing but oversized single family homes because that was the only thing that was legal to build.


Posted by Resident
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Feb 25, 2019 at 10:37 am

This is not just building lots of units of housing, but also lots of office space. If you live in a one or two story home and your east, south, west or even northwest neighbor becomes a three to seven story building your quality of live is gone. There needs to be an environmental study for this area with looking at the shades these buildings spread over existing housing.
Let’s not even start about the traffic this would create. Spread the housing throughout Mountain View. I am sure there are areas in this city that would love to have these buildings next to them...


Posted by Planners? Yuk
a resident of Gemello
on Feb 25, 2019 at 12:41 pm

Most of the EPC and council members and city planners are clueless about development and what will work. They will impose their personal opinions about what they think will work and screw it up. Eventually developers, that have some actual skin in the game will bring some of them down to earth.

Personally, i think the area is underdeveloped. Rezone to housing and commercial and see what the market likes.


Posted by MV Renter
a resident of Shoreline West
on Feb 25, 2019 at 1:40 pm

My only concern is traffic and parking. Shoreline is a freeway-connector, and therefore a shared resource. I can't pretend to have any inkling what's best for the neighborhood or the area; but I do know that a traffic problem to US-101 creates a problem for everyone.

I hope that whatever is done, the freeway ramps and feeders are improved.

Let us remember that Shoreline is one of only two overpasses over Central Expressway (and the Caltrain grade-crossing), therefore that road's importance to the flow of traffic cannot possibly be overstated.

If the whole area is to be redone, diverting a bike/pedestrian path separate from Shoreline Boulevard may also be a good idea. The Permanente Creek Trail is to the north of Shoreline, and connects to downtown via bike boulevards; in otherwords non-exclusive intersections which can snarl traffic).

An exclusive pedestrian/cyclist/scooter road to the south of it would not only be a good addition today, but for any future North Bayshore development.

Point is: more development means more cars (like it or not). So I'd like to see Shoreline made better for cars. At the same time, I'd like to see life better for pedestrians/cyclists and to promote cycling and walking as safe and healthy alternatives. The safest way is to separate the cars from them. It is far too easy to disrupt Shoreline's vehicular flow as it is, with the non-controlled crosswalks (which are hard to see in the dark); and will only be worsened with Waymo and autopilot cars. We need to get the pedestrians and bicycles away from them.

This may be a good chance to do that.


Posted by Greg
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Feb 25, 2019 at 3:17 pm

The city does not need the office space at all. We already have plenty. Same heights, but change it all to residential.

And, yes, I would see the horrible 5 story buildings by looking out my bedroom window. I think I’ll live.


Posted by William Hitchens
a resident of Waverly Park
on Feb 25, 2019 at 4:51 pm

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"There goes the quality of life in the neighborhood!" But of course, you can say that about ANY neighborhood in Mountain View that is North of Central Expressway, and especially Middlefield Rd. Just more and more high rise urban ghetto 'hoods. And to think that 40 years ago MV was such a pleasant place to live. No more.


Posted by tommygee54
a resident of Rex Manor
on Feb 25, 2019 at 5:35 pm

I live on San Pierre Way. I have been here so long that I remember not only Spectra Physics just across Middlefield Road/San Pierre crosswalk but also that I could drive my car into the driveway of Spectra Physics and drive forward to the driveway leading onto Terra Bella. Of course not anymore. There are fences in the way. A question that I have is will the housing be facing Middlefield Road as well that will be built on Terra Bella? This crosswalk from San Pierre Way that crosses Middlefield Road needs yellow flashing lights all along the crosswalk. All there is now are just yellow signs. BUT the drivers in their cars do not stop. So we need some dramatic controls here to protect the pedestrians from the cars that do not stop.

Also I do hope that the light sequences now in force at Terra Bella at Shoreline are dramatically changed as now there are long waits for Shoreline traffic. In the past this intersection was a piece of cake in that hardly any cars would cross Shoreline from Terra Bella. Now I (and others) need to wait for the green arrow to turn red faster so that those of us wanting to drive over the bridge to the theaters or to the park do not have to wait for cars that are not there to turn left onto Terra Bella (towards the recycle center as an example). What happened to timed sensors that can tell if cars are waiting or turning left or right or whatever direction. Cars are sure waiting on Shoreline longer at this Terra Bella intersection now. After 49 years of driving in this area, I hate this intersection and this whole area due to the morning horrible traffic that is near a standstill.

I've had my say.


Posted by Craig
a resident of Stierlin Estates
on Feb 25, 2019 at 7:56 pm

The Terra Bella Visoning Area is 204 acres of light industrial and limited industrial zoned land along Terra Bella Ave that most of us drive past on the way to 101. We all look at Taco Bell while waiting for the signal.
Change is coming to the area and the City is trying to decide the best course.
Mountain View is a center of innovation rooted in small businesses and there are some very interesting innovations developing in Terra Bella. There are about 1,200 people who work in the area, mostly in a number of small companies. It will be beneficial to preserve the light industrial/limited industrial areas to help our center of innovation.
Unfortunately, rents and homeownership are astronomically expensive and we need more residential development. New rental property will not make rents decrease. Many of us homeowners in Stierlin Estates Morgan St./Morgan Ct. neighborhoods would welcome new homeowners and we need more owner occupied residences.
We readers are decent people and decent neighbors and we expect the same of our neighbors. respectable transitions to residential neighborhoods is the right thing.
The difficult matter is how to decide the balance of residential vs. business development and what the 204 acres can sustain, both for the neighborhoods and for the city. A precise plan helps for Terra Bella will help to quantify the the outcome.
Many of us have engaged in the public discussion. It's time consuming and challenging. If you care about what the future will bring, join in the direct conversation and come to the City Council Study session next Tuesday. The train is leaving the station. Do you want to be on it or under it?


Posted by Randy Guelph
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Feb 25, 2019 at 9:09 pm

Craig, I'm curious why you're opposed to renters in your neighborhood. The implication that they're not "decent people" like yourself is worrying, but maybe you can clarify that.


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