??? "outercourse" ??? what nonsense will the boys clubbers design to "man splain"/ disguise sexual asssault i.e. rape with an unconscious woman or any woman? These specious distinctions/rationales have had their day... run their course. Now decent men and outraged women are refusing to tolerate them anymore. Turner should be sent to prison for life...these guys don't change... they just get better at that crime. I'm betting the young woman in this case was just the last in a string of such "daddy approved" boys will be boys crimes against women.

So glad the appellate court did its job. I wish they had ruled a mistrial and forced this predator to be dealt with by a more responsible judge who'd listen to the jury's recommendation for a prison term.

#Enough!

The ruling actually something to the effect that the fact that he was engaging in a different sex act (which they named as "dry humping") was not any indication that he didn't also have other things in mind.

So it seems to me they are saying the jury could read his mind. It seems to me that some of these actions have a given sequence. Sure he could have something else in mind, but how soon, and would he really keep at it that long. They also said he could tell she was too far gone to consent. But at what point would this have become the case? Are they both saying he should refrain from continuing and at the same time just assuming that he would not so refrain?

It's all a bit complicated.

Appellate Ruling -- "They also said he could tell she was too far gone to consent. But at what point would this have become the case? Are they both saying he should refrain from continuing and at the same time just assuming that he would not so refrain?"

Why don't you just come out and say that you're supporting Brock Turner, and stop with all of this whataboutism?

He engaged in an act of sexual assault. Period.