Just wait until the commercial airlines take over the airspace control as is currently being considered in Congress. They will choose the fastest/cheapest routes and flight levels. They will act with impunity.

Interesting article in that it actually had some good information!

Interesting problem that involves 4 dimensions [at least]. Perception is another dimension; we lived close to the CalTrain tracks for a while and surprised ourselves how quickly we could tune the noise out. That also went for the jets at Moffett.

Seems this is a safety problem first and a noise problem second and I do hope it will not be a political problem; we will see.

I think that in the Cuesta Park area helicopters are the greatest noise source; don't know about elsewhere.

Double pane windows made a big improvement unless I sleep with the windows open.

If you want to know what a healthy night of sleep is again, if you want peaceful enjoyment of your home (inside and outside), and peace in the outdoors then you'll need to hit this industry in the only place it cares about: it's profits. When a ticket carrying passenger was dragged off a United flight, bleeding and unconscious, United said too bad that's our policy. Then the video led to a PR nightmare and the value of its stocks began to plummet. Instant policy change; we won't do that anymore. And our brave Congress, after the fact, has added a "protection" to this summer's FAA reauthorization bill to ensure it doesn't happen again; way to show your courage Congress, go in the direction the industry you serve is already going.

TOO LOW, TOO LOUD, TOO MANY 24/7 nationwide would change over night if the profits of the airlines plummeted because people chose to make a temporary sacrifice for a long-term gain. Don't fly or ship by air unless absolutely necessary.

The only state in the U.S. I've found where people refuse to go down the rabbit hole of shift the burden to citizens to come up with solutions (to wear them down and divide and conquer while buying time to continue with the NextGen program's full implementation agenda) is Maryland.

Credit has to be given to elected officials in that state who have shown the basic human decency of calling the NextGen program's impact exactly what it is "completely unacceptable," a program that makes citizens "pay a human cost with their health and emotional well-being" for the financial benefit of the airline industry.

Link to Maryland Governor Hogan's letter to FAA Administrator Michael Huerta:
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Not surprisingly, the lie of no significant impact remains the FAA's position and by extension Congress since it directs and controls it. "FAA Says Study Found No Significant Noise Impacts..." article link:
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Also, anyone see the SFGate 7/30/17 article with the misleading title "Change coming for neighborhoods plagued by noisy SFO flight paths"? Link: Web Link

Notice the FAA's it could take 18 to 24 months to implement any changes. Conditional language AND up to 2 years away. Wow. It must be nice to get paid to go to all these meetings, sit on committees, etc. just to string people along. Not so nice for citizens doing this pro bono. War of attrition. This program's official implementation timeline is 2012 to 2025. They're almost there.

The solutions to aircraft noise are quite simple: set real noise limits that protect the health of communities and the environment, based on per instance maximums, not averages. Set a curfew between 11pm and 7am. Establish minimum approach and departure angles; approach needs to be at least 5 degrees, departures need to be steeper.

Aviation is the most polluting form of transportation. It is hypocritical to claim we care about the environment while expanding aviation. Policies need to be put in place to reduce air traffic, such as: a high tax on all types of aviation fuels, a ban on frequent-flyer programs, fees that increase based on how often a passenger has flown during a year, restoration of airports to local control, etc.

Why do the news link always open to a page saying Read the full story here. Why not send me to the real article the first time? do you get paid by the number of page loaded?

@dc, open the article from the mv-voice.com/news/ page, goes directly to the full news story.

Opening from the Town Square page takes you more directly to the Town Square comments.

"The FAA said that several recommendations are not within its purview. It has directed to the aircraft industry concerns about retrofitting a certain class of aircraft with wake vortex generators to reduce noise. Airbus A320 aircraft built before 2014 make a whistling or whining sound on approach due to the design of the wing. Roughly 35 percent of the aircraft arriving and departing SFO need the retrofit."

That noise is like nails scratching down a chalkboard! Why is this issue not within the FAA's purview? In Germany, complaints led to Lufthansa retrofitting their A320s to reduce the "whine". It costs roughly $5k per airplane to do the retrofit.
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