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Rental committee sets limit on increases

Original post made on May 23, 2017

On Monday night, the city's nascent Rental Housing Committee got its first taste of the big stakes and the dicey decisions that are ahead. The committee took its first action to cap the rents increases on thousands of local apartments for the upcoming year. Starting in September, that limit will be 3.4 percent.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 1:59 PM

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Posted by Dan Waylonis
a resident of Jackson Park
on May 23, 2017 at 2:52 pm

It's not at all surprising that it's incredibly difficult to circumvent the market for the correct pricing for something.

Please pick up a copy of F. A. Hayek's "The Fatal Conceit" for an explanation.


Posted by Rodger
a resident of Sylvan Park
on May 23, 2017 at 3:09 pm

I find it ridiculous that voters can take away other people's property, keep working to get this law declared unconstitutional!!!!!!


Posted by people here can't look outside their bubble
a resident of Jackson Park
on May 23, 2017 at 3:40 pm

I'm not a supporter of rent control, but I can understand why it passed. Year after year, rent has gone up exorbitantly in all apartments.. from the roach motel quality buildings to the new luxury buildings. Homeowners and landlords (and especially investors) are complaining because of x, y, z, etc reasons. I don't think their points are invalid.

However, when most voting citizens are renters and you block any form of real relief to them, what did you expect to happen? You kick a man enough, and he'll fight back. This is common sense folks. You can complain as much as you want, but you're not going to get them to back down when all your public opinions and actions come off as extremely selfish and greedy to these renters. In fact, all you're doing is energizing them to fight you harder.


Posted by @Dan Waylonis
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 23, 2017 at 4:06 pm

"Please pick up a copy of F. A. Hayek's "The Fatal Conceit" for an explanation."

Seriously?

Hayek was the notorious example of an academic (or in this case, "academic") using one example to provide a universal explanation. The problem with is that using Austria-Hungary in the 1910's does NOT explain economic activity anywhere else in the world.


Posted by George Drysdale
a resident of another community
on May 23, 2017 at 4:16 pm

This is the end of rent control. With the Buena Vista trailer park fiasco and rent control going in in Mountain View this will be the premier study in economics. I knocked rent control out of Capitola (all this is up on the internet) and I'm gong to knock it out of California. I'm waiting for the Mt. View/Palo Alto online to put up my blog. It should mean increased ads for them especially real estate ads. Because of the high educational level in Silicon Valley there's an awareness of basic economics probably unsurpassed. With Mountain View's city council except for one socialist against rent control it should be easy. The biggest scandal of all is with mobile home parks which involve the greatest land swindle (dollar wise) in American history. Talk about a great lesson plan and an incredible increase in wealth from throwing rent control out of California. I've been in touch with Governor Brown and he knows. No funding for "affordable (subsidized) housing" until things are cleared up. I'll explain in my blogs how rent control can be defeated immediately, it's only been done thousands of times throughout all of history.

George Drysdale land economist and social studies teacher


Posted by Mark
a resident of Shoreline West
on May 23, 2017 at 4:21 pm

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Posted by Babar
a resident of Cuernavaca
on May 23, 2017 at 4:30 pm

To say that establiching a universally fair control of rents is difficult is a huge understatement, but something fair needs to happen, and it involves controlling market behavior. The free market depends on need vs supply. If everyone wants carrots, first the price of carrots will go up, then some persons will plant more carrots or find a less expensive way to do so, and the price will go down until there is balance. That doesn't work for real estate, since you can't grow more land or make it cheaper, so now what?

Well, you try to control, but what's fair to the small apartment owner is different from what's fair for Prometheus, same thing's true for older versus newer buildings. AND, don't forget greed---more money for the building owners, more cheap apartments for the renters.

Probably the only reasonable answer (unless one doesn't care about the economy's workings) is subsidies, paid directly to tenants to compensate for increasing generalised market forces. The amounts of the subsidies would have to be secret (not sure how you do that) so that property owners don't raise rents because of the subidies, and based both on the market trend and the financial position of the tenant.

Of course, this would require large tax increases---VERY unlikely to pass.

A hard look at building codes, ordinances, and densities would also need to be undertaken (the State has tried to do that---very timidly, with Granny Suite rules), but San Francisco is busily telling it citizens they can't rent out as they wish.

So---all you people yelling out there, whether owners or renters--there IS a problem. Let's see YOU try to fix it.


Posted by George
a resident of another community
on May 23, 2017 at 5:02 pm

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Posted by @George
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 23, 2017 at 5:08 pm

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Posted by Reno
a resident of Old Mountain View
on May 23, 2017 at 5:36 pm

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Posted by ResidentSince1982
a resident of another community
on May 23, 2017 at 10:50 pm

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Odd that this rent control issue brings out so many irrelevant comments and concerns. It's not a big economic issue with the way it was done in Mountain View according to state law governing rent control. Rent control has been established in many areas of the state for 30+ years. In Capitola, they tried to apply it to Mobile Home parks which is a different kettle of fish. Mountain View mobile home parks are not covered by the rent control. No doubt many of them will end up being redeveloped with the residents kicked out. That's sad. But meanwhile, they are not lacking any pain from the constant space rent increases. In fact, no development project will be stopped by rent control. That's grounds to end a lease, if there is a new building placed on the land. You actually have an economic benefit to the rent control because it incentivizes redevelopment, not that we really need a lot of redevelopment with all the new apartment buildings going up anyway. It seems to me that this modest benefit will be entirely helpful overall.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 24, 2017 at 1:58 pm

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Posted by Steve Old Town
a resident of Old Mountain View
on May 24, 2017 at 5:01 pm

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@people here can't look outside their bubble

Except when landlords effected by the law sell or redevelop their properties and reduce the number of renters.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 24, 2017 at 5:49 pm

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Posted by Apple1709
a resident of Blossom Valley
on May 24, 2017 at 9:53 pm

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@TheBusinessMan you make good points but I want to let you know that your landlord is most likely telling the truth. Don't worry though, nobody can blame you for going to the tax collector website and arriving at your conclusion. I remember getting my first tax bill at the previous owner's rate and hoping that I somehow slipped through the cracks ... I didn't.

Property tax is paid in arrears: the tax you pay in FY 2017 is for FY 2016. Because of this, it can take 2-3 payment cycles for the new adjusted basis to be entered into the tax rolls. However, a supplemental assessment is levied. There is a calculator here: Web Link

So the owner is currently the "normal" assessment at the previous owner's rate, plus a supplemental assessment at the $5M rate. A good rule of thumb for taxes is 1.25%, which would be about $62.5k/yr or $5200/mo. So what your landlord says sounds accurate.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 24, 2017 at 10:35 pm

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Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 24, 2017 at 10:57 pm

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Posted by ResidentSince1982
a resident of another community
on May 24, 2017 at 11:05 pm

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Looks like the 11 unit 184 Centre Street apartments are for sale again... this time at $6,5 million. Too bad the owner in Feb 2016 only got $4.995 Million.... So who says Rent Control causes properties to lose value?


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 24, 2017 at 11:41 pm

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Posted by ResidentSince1982

a resident of another community

32 minutes ago

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Looks like the 11 unit 184 Centre Street apartments are for sale again... this time at $6,5 million. Too bad the owner in Feb 2016 only got $4.995 Million.... So who says Rent Control causes properties to lose value?

Where are you seeing that the property is for sale again?


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 25, 2017 at 12:52 am

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Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 25, 2017 at 12:12 pm

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There is a major assumption that purchasing prices dictate tax base, this is not correct. If you were to read the following link

( Web Link

You will find that there is great room to get your property adjusted based on a great deal of rules and evaluation processes. I find it amazing that you aren’t aware of it.

It is described here:

VALUATION METHODS

Determination of full value involves judgment, and the law recognizes that there is no single acceptable appraisal approach or method which must be employed to determine fair market value. The most common indicators of value are the purchase price of the subject property, sales prices of comparable properties, capitalization of the income stream (rent) produced by the property, and the cost to replace the property in its present condition. For purposes of establishing fair market value of recently purchased real property (other than possessory interests), CALIFORNIA LAW ESTABLISHES A REBUTTABLE PRESUMPTION THAT THE PURCHASE PRICE IS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE.(164) HOWEVER, THE PRESUMPTION MAY BE OVERCOME IF THERE IS SUFFICIENT MARKET INFORMATION TO ESTABLISH A DIFFERENT VALUE.(165)

(164) Rule 2.

(165) Dennis v. County of Santa Clara (1989) 215 Cal.App.3d 1019.

The Dennis case determined:

Following plaintiffs' purchase of real property in San Jose, the Assessor of Santa Clara County revalued the property for tax purposes in an amount substantially higher than the purchase price. After the assessment appeals board denied plaintiffs' application for changed assessment, plaintiffs filed this action to nullify the board's decision. THE SUPERIOR COURT SET ASIDE THE BOARD'S DECISION, FINDING THAT THE FULL VALUE OF THE PROPERTY WAS THE AMOUNT OF PLAINTIFFS' PURCHASE PRICE, AND ENTERED JUDGMENT ACCORDINGLY. The County of Santa Clara and City of San Jose appeal. Plaintiffs cross-appeal with respect to attorney fees. [215 Cal. App. 3d 1023]

WE CONCLUDE FOR THE REASONS STATED BELOW THAT THE JUDGMENT MUST BE REVERSED.

Discussion

We confront two issues on appeal. First, we must determine whether the assessor was bound to adopt plaintiffs' purchase price as the fair market value of the property or whether he properly relied upon the market data and income methods of appraisal. Second, assuming that the assessor properly relied upon those methods, we must determine whether he properly applied the methods to this case.

We disagree with the trial court. We conclude that the purchase price may play a significant role in the reassessment of property upon its sale BUT THAT THE PURCHASE PRICE IS ONLY THE BEGINNING AND NOT NECESSARILY THE END OF THE INQUIRY.

Application of Valuation Method

[9a] The record contains substantial evidence to support the board's finding of value based on the market data method of valuation.

"In estimating value ... the assessor shall consider one or more of the following, as may be appropriate for the property being appraised: [¶] (A) THE PRICE OR PRICES AT WHICH THE PROPERTY AND COMPARABLE PROPERTIES HAVE RECENTLY SOLD (THE COMPARATIVE SALES APPROACH)." (18 Cal. Code Regs., § 3.) "[M]ARKET DATA ON RECENT SALES OF THE PROPERTY TO BE ASSESSED AND COMPARABLE PROPERTIES, WHEN SUCH DATA IS AVAILABLE, IS THE MOST ACCURATE WAY OF ARRIVING AT THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. [CITATIONS.]" (Guild Wineries & Distilleries v. County of Fresno, supra, 51 Cal.App.3d at p. 187.)”

This information confirms my opinion that the assessment value can and should be reassessed based on comparable properties sold in the area or market data for like-kind in Mountain View. Simply enough, the purchase price is not a valid bases for the tax assessment value. Meaning any property like mine that has only 11 units with only the basic amenities, in Mountain View sold in this time frame would be applicable. NOT THE PRICE OF PROPERTY PURCHASED. A good business person would simply make sure the assessment is accurate so that they are not over taxed. IT WOULD BE THE BURDEN OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY TO ESTABLISH THE LOCAL MARKET VALUE AND SHOW PROOF OF ITS VALIDITY.




Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 25, 2017 at 12:16 pm

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Apple1709

I used the property tax simulation, but realize it cannot be relied upon, the simulation clearly states:

“THE CALCULATION IS AN ESTIMATE OF SUPPLEMENTAL AND ANNUAL PROPERTY TAXES ONLY. This estimate may vary significantly from the actual supplemental taxes due if another change in ownership or new construction has occurred within the calendar year. It does not include special fees, 'assessments', or taxes, etc.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS IN WHICH THE SUPPLEMENTAL TAX ESTIMATOR WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PRODUCE A RELIABLE ESTIMATE FOR THESE ATYPICAL SITUATIONS. The most common are:

A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP AND NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS OCCURRED IN A CALENDAR YEAR.”
The simple fact is this is just a simulation, it does not actually deal with the reassessment process. I am certain that if the landlord uses his right for reassessment based on inspection of the property and the like-kind property in Mountain View, his assessed values will be MUCH less than the simulated value. Of course it depends on the landlord KNOWING that this is just a simulation.

Any home owner or property owner should never simply accept a simulation. They have a right to demand a specific assessment based on inspection of the property and the “pooling” factor, because the property assessor would clearly want to avoid over taxation via “assessment bias” which is occurring in this website simulation.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 25, 2017 at 12:18 pm

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2 comments:


Second, my landlord made categorically false claims in his comments to the committee at time mark 11:00-14:00. He claimed he was paying taxes on the purchased price of my apartment building. But if you go to the Santa Clara Tax website you can see instead of paying property taxes on a building value at $4.95 Million, it is based on the appraised value of $1.17 Million. So he overstated his property taxes by 4.95/1.17 or 4.25 times his actual taxes. Yes he did pay a one-time Mountain View Transference Tax, based on the price he CHOSE to buy the property so he did pay $4.95 Million/ $5,000 Times $1.65 when he bought the property. Which comes to $1,633.50. BUT THAT WAS HIS CHOICE TO BUY THE PROERTY HE WAS NOT FORCED TO DO SO AT THAT PRICE.

Third, one landlord irately complained that they paid $80,000. for joining the CAA in the court case in Santa Clara Court which became an entire failure. There was plenty of free legal information out there that would have indicated that this was a poor decision on that landlord’s part. I understand the landlord’s position, however it appeared that landlord got very bad legal advice, and one could consider it so poor that she should be considering a legal complaint against her attorney. But this landlord instead complained that the tenants got “free” attorneys. However, this is NOT TRUE.

For example, the Stanford Law Clinic is paid by a grant and/or tax credits to the school, issued by a combination of federal, state, and/or county. These grants and/or tax credits are from taxes paid by the tenants. Those grants and/or tax credits were designed to provide legal counselling to the public as a result. Thus any citizen in a situation where they are confronted with need of legal representation for almost any legal problem, AS LONG AS IT IS NOT COMMERCIAL IN NATURE, does have a right to their assistance.


Posted by Bart
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 28, 2017 at 12:17 pm

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Babar,
Your carrot theory doesn't make any sense. Free market is the only way things will seek their fair balance. You can't pass laws to benefit one group while hurting another. Most of the landlord community is made up of hard working mom and pop owners that took big risks when buying their properties, they worked on them, poured money into them and made many sacrifices to keep them running. If now there is a win fall in the real estate market because the tech giants created a wealth of jobs that outpaced the housing supply so be it! That is what the American dream is all about. I am pretty sure all the google and facebook employees (the bulk of my tenants) would have a fit to have a ceiling put on where their stocks could go? If you let the free market rule, the tech companies that created the issue of over population and that are making millions from it will see the wisdom of paying their employees more money to keep them local. If people can no longer afford to live in Mountain View there are certainly more affordable options in other towns they can move to. And guess what, if they move, rents come down until they seek a balance!
Rent control unfairly hurts the hard working landlord community and only temporarily benefits the current tenants. They benefit weather or not they even need the assistance. Most of my tenants are dual income households each well into the 6 figure incomes. Now if were talking about the janitors and school teachers that benefit our community as a whole to by living here then that is a community issue that needs to be shouldered by the whole community not just the landlords...


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on May 29, 2017 at 12:34 pm

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Bart,

What I find as a business person insulting is the premise that IF one works hard and EARNS their paycheck, that some property owner is ENTITLED to a portion of that money. THAT IS NOT BUSINESS. THAT IS FEUDALISM. ITS IS DEFINED AS:

Merriam-Webster Logo SINCE 1828

feudalism

1: the system of political organization prevailing in Europe from the 9th to about the 15th centuries having as its basis the relation of LORD TO VASSAL (see vassal 1) WITH ALL LAND HELD IN FEE (see fee 1) and as CHIEF CHARACTERISTICS HOMAGE, the service of tenants under arms and in court, wardship (see wardship 1), and forfeiture (see forfeiture 1)(Web Link

Thus the tenant is treated like a VASSAL of the landlord or LORD, and the LORD determines that the earnings of the VASSAL are due to the LORDS' efforts. This is simply not true.

The LORDS’ feel entitled to a proportion of earnings from the VASSALS’. Isn’t that a tax? More specifically, is this is a PRIVATE tax? Isn’t private taxation not allowed in the US? This attitude is what caused the “VASSALS’” of Mountain View to use their political rights and responsibilities to act to create the new rules of LORD and VASSAL relationship. Thus the CSFRA was born.

The fact is if this was not the prevailing practice, the CSFRA would be unnecessary. There would have been a mutually beneficial relationship between the LORDS’ and VASSALS’.

The community cannot be expected to bear the burden of the LORDS’ misbehaviors, misconducts, or misjudgments, under Alan Greenspan’s MORAL HAZARD doctrine, that rests solely on the investors or owners of a business. Please do not insult us in claiming that it is the VASSALS’ fault the LORDS’ are in this situation?

The LORDS’ must step up and solve their own problems. Under Costa Hawkins, they were given unfettered freedom of making profit since 1995 to increase market supply and failed to do so. The rules regarding land zoning and development did not change for more than 100 years except for environmental impact and pollution cleanups. So claiming that “regulations” are impairing the private sector in increasing supply is simply not the truth.

What is happening is the LORDS’ demand tribute and gifts in order to develop by the public. The public simply cannot do that, it would be viewed as a corrupt practice by the VASSALS’ and the politicians would be subject to intense criticism.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR WANTED THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF RENT REGULATIONS AND GOT IT BUT IT IN TURN IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS FAILURE TO COME THORUGH WITH AMPLE SUPPLY.


Posted by Do no harm
a resident of Rex Manor
on May 30, 2017 at 11:29 am

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Business Man
your are sadly mistaken. Your comment: What I find as a business person insulting is the premise that IF one works hard and EARNS their paycheck, that some property owner is ENTITLED to a portion of that money.

The truth is that when you sign a contract that provides housing at the property owners expense He is certainly entitled to a portion of your paycheck. You have the choice of living close or far away from your workplace. That choice will determine the cost of your lodging. That is YOUR choice. No landlord is required to provide housing YOU feel is affordable within walking distance to your employment. Where did you ever get the idea you are entitled to that?

This entitlement mentality is unfair to those who have worked hard, taken risks, endured the ups and downs of the market and provided housing for decades. We all make choices and there are certainly natural consequences to every choice. High rent is the natural consequence of living in the middle of Silicon Valley.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 1, 2017 at 3:13 pm

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Do no harm argues?

“The truth is that when you sign a contract that provides housing at the property owners expense He is certainly entitled to a portion of your paycheck. You have the choice of living close or far away from your workplace. That choice will determine the cost of your lodging. That is YOUR choice. No landlord is required to provide housing YOU feel is affordable within walking distance to your employment. Where did you ever get the idea you are entitled to that? “

I do not say I am entitled to it, but when your business is to strategically provide overpriced items alone into a market, you must be prepared for the results. The industry has planned it so that the tenants are like drivers that need gas, and the only kind of gasoline you offer and price is the 93 octane when the vehicles only need 87. If you looks at the Bay Area Government Association website reports, the industry chose to push only the products it wants to sell. This is not just in Mountain View but the entire Bay Area. Which are high end products only, thus forcing prices to be higher because of market manipulation.

“This entitlement mentality is unfair to those who have worked hard, taken risks, endured the ups and downs of the market and provided housing for decades. We all make choices and there are certainly natural consequences to every choice. High rent is the natural consequence of living in the middle of Silicon Valley.”

With all due respect, you fail to disclose the fact that Costa Hawkins prevents rent control for new buildings after 1995. Please understand this: RENT CONTROL LAWS AT THIS TIME HAS NEVER BEEN AN IMPEDIMENT IN CALIFORNIA AS LONG AS COSTA HAWKINS IS THE LAW.

And as far as tenants having the entitlement mentality, that is simply very insulting. As I pointed out earlier:

Those VASSALS’ who have worked hard and invested their own money and work to have work skills that are in reality SUPERIOR to those LORDS’, thus justifying their earnings. The LORDS’ did not provide them any assistance to the VASSALS’ achievements and abilities at any time. THUS THE VASSALS’ DO NOT OWE A DEBT TO ANY LORDS’. The LORDS’ complain that they should be ENTITLED to any earnings they wish, but they cannot base that argument on their VASSALS’ earnings. IF THEY WISH TO HAVE HIGHER EARNINGS, THEY MUST PROVIDE SUPERIOR SERVICES AND COMPETE AMONGST THEMSELVES FOR IT.

IN FACT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP SKILLS AND VALUE ARE VASTLY LESS VALUABLE THAN THE WORK THE PEOPLE WHOM THEY CLAIM ARE THE “ENTITLEMENT” GROUP DO IN THE VALLEY. IN FACT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IN THE BAY AREA REGARDING APARTMENTS HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THE WEALTH OF THE VALLEY, IT HAS WORKED TO TAKE IT AWAY. MOST ARE OWNED BY THOSE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY THEY OWN THE PROPERTY IN. IT IS THE “HIGH-TECH” WORKERS THAT MADE THE VALLEY AND NOT APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT.

Do no harm, landlords at this time have done NOTHING to contribute regarding the increase in wealth by tenants earning it in California. THAT OCCURRED DUE TO BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS OCCURRED DUE TO INVESTMENT IN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. The apartment industry simply has attached itself to that activity to make money.

THE APARTMENT INDUSTRY DOES NOT WORK TO ATTRACT, DEVELOP, OR SUPPORT HIGH SKILLED WORKERS AND DOES NOT EMPLOY THEM. I simply disagree with you because your claim seems to apply to the landlords and not the tenants. What you are promoting is that a person can expect THEIR SHARE of wealth earned by another WHO DID NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT SITUATION.

I hate to ask you, but is THAT the definition of an ENTITLEMENT?


Posted by Darin
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 2, 2017 at 3:07 pm

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@The Business Man

I'm not convinced that your gasoline analogy is accurate. Are landlords metaphorically selling expensive 93-octane gasoline to people who need only 87-octane gasoline? Perhaps a better analogy is that they are selling expensive 93-octane gasoline to the smaller number of people who need (or want) 93-octane gasoline, and letting someone else serve the needs of the people who need only 87-octane gasoline.

As long as these gasoline merchants (landlords) can find customers for all the expensive 93-octane gasoline they can sell, there is no incentive for them to sell less-profitable 87-octane gasoline.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 2, 2017 at 8:53 pm

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Darin,

My example was over simple, I will try to address the situation with real information from the Bay Area Governments association own analysis

Santa Clara Rental Housing Needs Allocation results

Very Low (0-50% AMI) Income, the RHNA = 13,878, Permits Issued =3,798 Percent of RHNA Met = 27%. Low (50-80% AMI) Income, the RHNA = 9,567, Permits Issued = 2,692, Percent of RHNA Met = 28%. Moderate (80-120% AMI) Income the RHNA = 11,007, Permits Issued = 2,371, Percent of RHNA Met = 22%. Above Moderate (120%+ AMI) Income the RHNA = 25,886, Permits Issued = 35,962, Percent of RHNA Met = 139%. In Total the RHNA = 60,338, Permits Issued = 44,823, Percent of RHNA Met = 74%
So if you look at the proportion of housing in the county the Very Low Income apartments are 23%, the Low Income apartments are 16%, the Moderate Housing are 18% and the Above Moderate Income apartments are 42% in Santa Clara County.

Now if you take the gasoline example Santa Clara County, this would mean that 42% of the gas stations only sell 93 gas, 18% would sell 91 gas, 16% would sell 89 gas, and only 23% sell 87 gas. And realize once one car buys gas from the station, in this example, that station has a limited supply, and that one customer must stop buying gas from it for another to start.

That means that almost half the apartments in the valley are “Luxury”, when the report shows that is clearly NOT NEEDED. It indicates a surplus of 39%. As far as the public is concerned they cannot rent the apartment they want when there is a lack of the ones they want. Thus you have a manipulated situation.

As far as Mountain View goes it is far worse:

Very Low (0-50% AMI) Income, the RHNA = 571, Permits Issued =237 Percent of RHNA Met = 42%. Low (50-80% AMI) Income, the RHNA = 388, Permits Issued = 28, Percent of RHNA Met = 7%. Moderate (80-120% AMI) Income the RHNA = 488, Permits Issued = 4, Percent of RHNA Met = 1%. Above Moderate (120%+ AMI) Income the RHNA = 1,152 , Permits Issued = 2,387, Percent of RHNA Met = 207%. In Total the RHNA = 2,599, Permits Issued =2,656, Percent of RHNA Met = 102%

Now if you take the gasoline example for Mountain View, this would mean that 44% of the gas stations only sell 93 gas, 19% would sell 91 gas, 15% would sell 89 gas, and only 22% sell 87 gas.

This is a more realistic picture, but it still demonstrates as the Valley and the City are concerned, there is a disparity regarding the "efficient" market and the market "needs". Under Costa Hawkins, and the real efficient market model, this simply should not have occurred at all. This demonstrates that some kind of external influence is dictating that the supply spectrum does not match with demand spectrum in any way.


Posted by Do no harm
a resident of Rex Manor
on Jun 9, 2017 at 1:09 pm

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Business Man
your comment:"PROPERTY OWNERSHIP SKILLS AND VALUE ARE VASTLY LESS VALUABLE THAN THE WORK THE PEOPLE WHOM THEY CLAIM ARE THE “ENTITLEMENT” GROUP DO IN THE VALLEY. IN FACT PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IN THE BAY AREA REGARDING APARTMENTS HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO THE WEALTH OF THE VALLEY.." is offensive. Many of the properties were in the area before high tech came. They provided a comfortable environment for high tech to flourish. Would you have come to the area if there were no place to live? Real Estate investment regardless of where the investor lives contributes to the tax base, the support of industry including the use of high tech, construction, employment, increased property values which help homeowners who have nothing to do with high tech. There were many economic incentives in the bay area far before high tech came.

It is quite evident that you do not understand the big picture of economics. When you punish or stifle one sector, it impacts other sectors. In order to give you lower rent, I may have to lay off or cut benefits of an employee. Perhaps you feel your needs or "rights" are more important than his.

In answer to your question, Entitlement means demanding rights, or control to something you did not buy or earn. You do not own my property, and you have not earned any right to control it, yet that is what you and those who support rent control are trying to do. Until you have to meet my payroll, paid my property taxes, paid my insurance, and provided services 24/7 to my tenants, you do not have any right to control my property.

Your logic is severely flawed and not based on reality but I can appreciate your effort to justify the mess Measure V has caused. The effort and expense could have done so much to help those who actually need and deserve affordable housing.


Posted by The Business Man
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jun 12, 2017 at 4:01 am

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Do No Harm,

You said:

“In order to give you lower rent, I may have to lay off or cut benefits of an employee. Perhaps you feel your needs or "rights" are more important than his.”

It sounds like you’re going to pass the losses of your investment unto your employees? That is because you cannot pass the cost of the losses of your investment onto the tenants at this time. This is apparently your business practice to hold others financially responsible for your errors of judgement regarding losses, but you claim your entitled to all gains.

You said:

“Until you have to meet my payroll, paid my property taxes, paid my insurance, and provided services 24/7 to my tenants, you do not have any right to control my property.”

You choose to be in the business, of course you can use your Ellis Act privileges and simply leave the properties in Mountain View by selling them or letting the mortgage underwriter take them over. You may however have to sell below your expected selling price by a significant amount. There will always be another person willing to take over in a market like this. The City doesn’t need any ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER. Like all employees, you are expendable. So please do not claim landlords are critical persons in Mountain View, this is business, and NO ONE IS INDISPENSABLE.

You said:

“Real Estate investment regardless of where the investor lives contributes to the tax base, the support of industry including the use of high tech, construction, employment, increased property values which help homeowners who have nothing to do with high tech.”

Since when is an apartment investor increase home prices. The home buying market is exclusive of the apartment industry. Any business person knows this. Construction employment only occurs when building or capital improvements, I have already demonstrated that new construction has increased the inventory only 2% where the population has increased 20% in California. Thus this employment isn’t very significant. As far as supporting high tech, your investment does not build the industry, the workers do

Just realize that when tenants work for every $1 they earn they contribute many dollars of returned value to their employers. For every $1 of work that tenants do in the “tech” field, it results in as much as $1000 of worldwide value to their employers. If for example a person earns $100,000 or information security work there work can provide $100,000,000 is value to their company because they prevented a $100,000,000 loss. CAN THE LANDLORDS DEMONSTRATE THEIR WORK DOES THE SAME? What does a landlord do other than have the opportunity to make a living on the earnings of others? The landlords simply cannot claim they provided anything but a place where a person can reside while they are building the value of the Valley. It is not even possible for a landlord to claim they provide any more value than a single $1 to $1 value at most.

The landlords’ only contribution is that you have either built property before 1995 or bought property older than 1995.

If the property was built before 1986, then the typical mortgage of 31 years cost is paid and you only have property taxes and operating expenses except for capital improvements.

And if it was built between 1987 and 1995, your mortgage cost is only on the initial build price. Not on the current costs of purchasing or building the property.

Your REAL WEALTH is in the property appreciation, which you collect upon sale of the property THAT is the apartment business.

If you bought the property after it was built and after 1995, you CHOSE to take a risk in investment. THe tenants NOR the public owes you nothing but what the market will bear. That is it.


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