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How to spend $6 billion on transit

Original post made on Jan 26, 2016

A new sales tax to improve the South Bay's transportation woes won't go to voters until the end of the year, but officials from Mountain View and a coalition of other West Valley cities are notching up the pressure for how those dollars should be spent.

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Posted by Sales Tax
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jan 26, 2016 at 10:49 am

John Inks has it wrong (as usual); the money for this sales tax *is* coming from drivers. This essentially subsidizes public transportation, so those who don't use it are paying for it and not reaping the benefits. That's their choice. (Plus a sales tax is progressive, as opposed to some kind of regressive tax like per mile driven or per gallon of gas).


Posted by SRB
a resident of St. Francis Acres
on Jan 26, 2016 at 11:25 am

Why wasn't VTA present at this meeting?


Posted by MV resident
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jan 26, 2016 at 11:29 am

@Sales Tax - Good points, but sales tax is generally regarded as a regressive tax, as it takes a larger proportion of a lower-earner's income than it does of a higher-earner. That's one reason I don't like it. Another is that VTA has not disavowed and abandoned its idiotic lane El Camino closure proposal. Until that happens, my vote will be NO.

That said, transportation is a problem here, and needs to be dealt with. In spite of VTA's faults and wrongheaded ideas, I'd be inclined to vote yes if they reversed themselves on ECR lane closure.


Posted by Mrs. Addams
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Jan 26, 2016 at 11:40 am

"At the Mountain View City Council meeting on Tuesday, Jan. 20"

Jan 20 was a Wednesday.


Posted by Vot NO New VTA taxes
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2016 at 11:55 am

The gall of people trying to figure out how to spend(waste) more of our money before we even get a chance to vote on whether we give it to them.

VTA has come begging election after election for tax increases, little bits at a time, but continuously.
The free meal ticket stops here. Please vote NO for any more tax increases on us. it's tough enough to make ends meet, we don't need this incessant nickle and diming.

Currently VTA has 2 additional tax increases running right now and not set to expire for years and years; we're already giving them a lot of our hard earned cash. If things are tight with money they need to look how to reduce their costs, not how to take more money out of our pockets and out of our children's pockets.


Posted by Steve Ly
a resident of another community
on Jan 26, 2016 at 2:21 pm

Over the last several elections, voters in Santa Clara County have passed multiple tax and fee increases including VTA’s 2000 Measure A ½-cent and 2008 measure B ¼-cent sales taxes, Santa Clara County’s Measure A 1/8 cent sales tax, the state prop 30 ¼ cent sales tax and the 2010 Measure B Vehicle Registration Fee of $10. Additionally, we’re on the hook to pay back numerous state bond issues including high speed rail, last year’s Proposition 1 water bond and the infrastructure bonds of 2006.

All of this nickel and diming has contributed into making the Bay Area a horribly expensive place to live; especially for people of modest means, who must pay the greatest percentage of their income in these regressive taxes and fees. Each increase by itself does not amount to much, say a quarter cent, but the cumulative effect is to add to the unaffordability of the region.

Before increasing taxes YET AGAIN, waste needs to be removed from transportation projects. For example, VTA needs to eliminate waste and “gold plating” of the BART extension’s cost by reducing the scope to eliminate duplicate facilities. The BART segment from the San Jose to Santa Clara Caltrain stations would duplicate both the existing Caltrain line and VTA’s 22 and 522 buses to a station that has approximately 1000 riders each weekday. This is extremely wasteful and sends the wrong message to voters who will be asked to approve more sales tax increases in 2016.


Posted by VTA Budget
a resident of another community
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:07 pm

Note that VTA is more likely to spend > 50% of the proposed tax on BART. This is a group of cities standing up to VTA. That should be appreciated.


Posted by B Minkin
a resident of Sylvan Park
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:24 pm

Whenever I read or hear remarks from VTA, it feels like the organization does not see itself as a peer of or subservient to either the cities or the residents. In the meetings they attend, they are present during the remarks given, but do not address them. It will be hard for me to generate much enthusiasm for any proposal involving new taxes.


Posted by Common sense
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:31 pm

The issue of VTA using this part of its jurisdiction as an ATM to bankroll its pet projects, especially BART, in the "South County" (which always seems to have disproportionate representation on VTA's governing board, please note) is hardly new. 12 years ago in the Voice: "The Mountain View council fears the proposed BART extension will suck funds from other transit projects planned for the North County" Web Link -- precisely what Simitian, a few months ago, concluded has happened after studying where transit money has gone: Web Link


Posted by juan olive
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:36 pm

Wow. Didn't Christmas just end? You 30 year olds that vote or allow for this kind of money spending are fools. Doesn't the saying go like "A fool and his money are easily parted"? Except in this case the only parting will be from your pockets to some unknown entity where hardly anyone has to keep track or be held accountable or responsible for all this money.
How many billions will be needed in 10 years or less and for what?


Posted by Jimc
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:43 pm

I am willing to pay for a small increase in tax to fix transportation, but NOT if it contains any part for BART. BART comes to San Jose and does not help Mountain View. Let San Jose and environs pay for BART.


Posted by bjd
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:46 pm

It is unfortunate that the VTA has such a bad track record in providing service to the region. The Light Rail is a disaster, with one of the lowest riderships in the country (Web Link

Unfortunately I think the BART extension will suffer the same fate, since it connects regions that don't really make sense as transit hubs (no high-density living or working populations). And this project comes with a huge price tag, taking more than its fair share of the area's transit dollars.

We clearly do need better transit solutions across the Peninsula. Would it be too much to ask for the VTA to be specific about how the funds would be used? For example signal timing improvements would go a long way at easing congestion on our expressways, yet according to VTA's EnvisionSV site (Web Link we can "only" have signal timing improvements if we max out our budget for expressways, at $1 billion. That's nonsense. The existing light rail infrastructure connects areas that don't have reason to be connected, with very long trip times. How about sensical routes, like a BRT or rail link to get from Mountain View's transit center to North Bayshore, as fast as we can do it?

VTA: Show us a reasonable plan and maybe we'd be inclined to show you the money.


Posted by Trump Voter
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:49 pm

I will vote for only tax DECREASES. Ideally, I would not pay ANY taxes at all, yet continue to use ALL of the public services and infrastructure. After all, I am white and wealthy, so am more deserving than my poor cousins in south county.

Vote against VTA and vote for Donald!


Posted by HEre is how to spend it
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jan 26, 2016 at 3:49 pm

spend 80% on salaries and studies of different ways to accomplish there tasks.

spend 20% on pensions and medical costs that are ballooning.

What's left, nothing, but the taxpayers will approve more.


Posted by @Trump Voter
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jan 26, 2016 at 4:37 pm

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Posted by @Monta Loma
a resident of another community
on Jan 26, 2016 at 6:26 pm

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Posted by Chump
a resident of another community
on Jan 26, 2016 at 9:09 pm

This tax proposal is puny. It is estimated to raise $6 billion over 30 years, or $500 million a year. That is not nearly enough to make a dent in our transportation problems. It is chump change, and it is not worth spending the time to argue about.


Posted by Billion here Billion There
a resident of another community
on Jan 27, 2016 at 1:27 am

Well, well, but $6 Billion would certainly be enough to spend right. I agree that the tax should be voted down because VTA will spend it wrong. [Portion removed due to disrespectful comment or offensive language]


Posted by Inks Has It Right
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jan 27, 2016 at 6:04 am

Inks has it right . A sales tax is on retail sales. And is regressive. User fees should support VTA , not people who don't use the public bus system .


Posted by I'll vote No
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 27, 2016 at 10:05 am

I personally do not think user based funding systems are always the way to go, since many times the non-users also enjoy the benefits from the user's activity, such as improving bike infrastructure which has proven to get people out of their cars and onto their bikes more, thus benefiting the non-bike commuter with less cars on the road.

The issue is that there is ALWAYS a small tax that VTA enjoys(currently we're funding 2 that are ongoing)but the benefits have been absent. It's time to look real hard at what we're getting out of the last 2 tax increases and ask if VTA deserves another. BRT and endless studies designed to try and twist things to make people think it's a good idea??? I think this time the vote will be no. VTA needs to look towards itself if they need additional money. My wallet has been tapped for too long.


Posted by No BRT
a resident of Cuernavaca
on Jan 27, 2016 at 3:26 pm

Unless VTA outwardly states that NO funds will be used on El Camino BRT (automobile lane elimination) projects, I will vote no. Period.

And, like others, I believe VTA should be compelled to show evidence of productive use of past and current funding.


Posted by Voting No On BRT
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 27, 2016 at 5:54 pm

I don't like the people that ride the bus. They are not wealthy, so why should any taxes be spent on them?

We need to spend money on more lanes for cars, unless it impacts my neighborhood. As long as my life gets better and poor people's life gets worse, I am happy.

Vote NO on any and all taxes and Vote for Donald Trump.


Posted by Scott
a resident of Monta Loma
on Jan 27, 2016 at 11:41 pm

I don't get it. Why is widening roads bad? Los Angeles has done an amazing job, both widening roads and building transit / bike lanes.

There's traffic and no BART. You don't get to judge it. Make people's lives easier and solve the actual problem.

If BART were built where people needed to go, widening lanes could be avoided. It's not, instead it's a jobs program for San Jose. So we need to expand freeways so people can live their damn lives.

The Bay Area is confusing as hell. Everyone here has low expectations for the government. Sure, many of you profess to hate how the VTA operates, and yet nod your heads vigorously at "no cars, more bikes!" It's no different: You're projecting ideal ogives in spite of reality.

Bikes are dangerous as hell on the awful, narrow roads here. So you drive. That's reality. Make the road bigger. Add transit too, please, but make the damn road bigger. Make the roads bigger. Expand the roads. W I D E N T H E R O A D S. Enejwjsdjdidjdnensisjdfndnejwiwi


Posted by Note vote here
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2016 at 7:02 am

I agree and ill also vote no. VTA has accomplished nothing while slurping up gobs of our hard earned money. We're NOT wealthy tech workers, or doctors and it's damn hard to stay in the black each month. We do not need a 3rd tax on us from VTA, especially when we get nothing back from them.
VTA please stop trying to tax us to death! We cannot afford it anymore!


Posted by Poor U
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Jan 28, 2016 at 11:14 am

Wow..all of these statements. "I won't approve any taxes for VTA until they <Fill in the blank>"

It's much more likely that these same people will NEVER vote for any taxes ANYWAY, so their threat is meaningless.

The dedicated lane will make public transit very fast along the highest density road in santa clara county. Even better, it does so at a minimal cost in both dollars and impacts to automobile traffic. This has been studied to death and that is the reality. The only opponents are NIMBY's who have not a SINGLE study of their own to contradict the proven plan of a dedicated transit lane.

I'm glad that Mountain View has voted our support for the project and that most cities in the county remain unopposed. Even Sunnyvale BARELY voted to oppose the project--by a SINGLE VOTE!

It's a done deal. Get over it.


Posted by Steve Ly
a resident of another community
on Jan 28, 2016 at 12:20 pm

Poor U completely misses the point. Santa Clara County voters have voted to increase taxes and fees repeatedly over the last 30 years, yet the reward for approving them is just another ballot measure in the next election. When is enough enough? The cost of living is gotten out of control.


Posted by @steve ly
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2016 at 12:31 pm

Taxes have nothing to do with his "cost of living [sic.]is gotten out of control." If anything, the taxes to improve infrastructure is to allow a reasonable quality of life to continue in the face of skyrocketing rents and service costs.

People like you keep beating the drum that taxes make the poor, poorer... Doesn't make any sense. George W Bush would agree with you though!


Posted by No "No" more like Hell No
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 28, 2016 at 1:01 pm

Taxes without any results should be eliminated. How has VTA made things better since the last 2 tax increases we gave them? Those aren't set to expire for a loong time but still they need more, and more, and more.
Its time to stop throwing money down the drain. Take a breather VTA. Spend what you have, if you need more, cut costs.


Posted by the_punnisher
a resident of Whisman Station
on Jan 28, 2016 at 6:58 pm

BART was promised to us over 40 years ago. That is why many of us are still waiting.
VTA trains are a joke. No one rides them.

To solve their transit problem is easy. Build a WYE under the Ellis street /101 bridge. Send some trains to the East Bayshore areas. others back south of Moffett Field.

RTD of Denver HAS a working Light Rail system. It might pay for someone who supports VTA projects see this WORKING SYSTEM in operation. Several Lines with ridership AND grade separations that work.

Like RTD, BART uses grade separation when possible. Give us our BART LOOP WHICH WE ALREADY PAID FOR! VTA must use elevated stations to get to the BART connections. No More CalTrain and forced upgrades! Caltrain shouldn't even exist if the SFBA used EMINENT DOMAIN forty years ago.

Yes, I've opted out from these SFBA problems as I could not afford to buy a house or property in your area.

" You can pay me now or you can pay me later ". You are seeing examples of our " pay me later " transit problems. I find it hard to see all the " Band-Aid " fixes that have been applied.

Make all that money finish the BART LOOP THAT WE TAXPAYERS WERE PROMISED. Scrap out CalTrain as BART will save on duplicate efforts. Do many Give complainer people an Eminent Domain notice to shut them up.


Posted by Tough Guy
a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Jan 29, 2016 at 5:53 am

"Yes, I've opted out from these SFBA problems as I could not afford to buy a house or property in your area."

It's easy to write policy when you have no skin in the game. Maybe we should charge people who sleep in their motor homes on public streets a special tax. Any complainers can be given a bus ticket back to Colorado, or wherever home is.


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