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Schools hatch plan to narrow stubborn achievement gap

Original post made on Nov 19, 2015

In an effort to raise test scores among Mountain View's low-income and minority students, the Mountain View Whisman School District is moving forward with ambitious and expensive plans to turn things around at its lowest-performing schools.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, November 19, 2015, 10:30 AM

Comments (19)

Posted by James
a resident of Whisman Station
on Nov 19, 2015 at 2:31 pm

From working with my kids, the Common Core Math is really verbal, lots of complex word problems, which is great of you're a good reader and used to doing that kind of problem. The transition is hard even if you're not an English learner, and I expect a steep hill to climb without lots of hours and support.


Posted by Jason Robards
a resident of Waverly Park
on Nov 19, 2015 at 3:59 pm

Millions more will be spent, following the billions spent in the past decades to fix an unfixable problem. My kid went to Huff and Graham so I know. Some children do not come from an environment and culture that supports advanced learning. Walk into a resident with no books and tell me that the majority of the kids are academically oriented. This is not a racial issue, it is a matter of what is realistic and what is not. You might as well try an teach the average teenager to dunk a basketball. The focus should be on teaching kids what they are able to learn, not what is beyond their reach. Not every one can handle algebra and whatever the grammar school equivalent is. A majority of kids are not going to succeed in college and all the money and wishful thinking in the world will change that. Put some kids in college prep and other into vocational prep. Fortunately I am retired and don't pay taxes anymore so you can't waste any more of my money.


Posted by George
a resident of Rex Manor
on Nov 19, 2015 at 4:52 pm

Amen to Mr. Robards.

Perhaps more meetings and interfacing with the parents would help, but to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on "studies"insane.

Good teachers will get through to the kids, they will learn, but not until Mom/Dad cooperate.
We need ditchdiggers and fast food people. They will do better here at those jobs than in Mexico with banditos and dirt. All of the students are not made for college. Try as hard as we can and do the best with these kids that can be done. Quit wasting our money on consultants and "experts".


Posted by Disgusted
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 19, 2015 at 6:41 pm

This district and the board must sit around thinking of ways of waiting tax payers money. How about #2 pencils, paper and some effort. Go to work on the kids not fault finding and consultants, retreats and all that other nonsense. Every post here in The Voice gets more and more ridiculous .


Posted by MV Mama
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 19, 2015 at 7:34 pm

Meanwhile, the district has dropped the GATE program and no longer lanes middle school students (other than math).


Posted by Students Leaving Town
a resident of Castro City
on Nov 20, 2015 at 7:09 am

With rent levels headed toward the moon,few economically disadvantaged children will be staying in Mountain View much longer.


Posted by Steve
a resident of Shoreline West
on Nov 20, 2015 at 9:35 am

@Jason Robards

The point you are trying to make is not clear.

"Some children do not come from an environment and culture that supports advanced learning"

and

"Not every one can handle algebra and whatever the grammar school equivalent is"

These are two different things. And I am inclined to believe the main problem is the first and not the second. I don't think we should be writing of first and second graders as not being able to handle first and second grade math or reading.


Posted by Steve
a resident of Shoreline West
on Nov 20, 2015 at 9:45 am

I strongly believe that academic improvements require support by the parents. The extra sessions should be on weekends or other times when the parents can attend. Parents need to understand their responsibility in education. Teachers only have a few minutes a day to spend one-on-one with students.


Posted by What a bunch of hateful people
a resident of Rengstorff Park
on Nov 20, 2015 at 9:46 am

It's disturbing to read the comments of people unwilling, in a very wealthy community, to help struggling children improve their lot in life.

We are talking about children here, who did not choose to be born into a poor family, and did not choose the language they speak at home. I for one am glad that our district is trying to help these kids do better in school. It will only enrich us as a city to have a literate, educated workforce.

Fortunately, I don't think these small-minded, mean-spirited commenters speak for MV as a whole, but rather for a sad group of trolls that lurks here.


Posted by Returned Peace Corps Volunteer
a resident of Cuesta Park
on Nov 20, 2015 at 9:49 am

Interesting group of commenters. Like Reed Hastings (former CA Board of Education President / Netflix founder & current CEO Web Link I'm a RPCV. He was a math teacher in Swaziland, I was a science teacher in Totota, Liberia. I know neither one of us has given up on public education (great for all) because of that experience, or subsequent experience with California public education (I just don't have the millions $$ to help move improvement/experiment like Reed does).

So, I'll just continue to believe my experience, the top 12% of any Ethnic or SocioEconomic community is capable of learning to University of California high entrance standards - and if we are getting 'low learning' measures from any of these groups - It's Our (collective) responsibility. A Mind is a terrible thing to Waste.

RPCV is a nom de plume of MVWSD Trustee S. Nelson, these are his opinions only


Posted by Cfrink
a resident of Willowgate
on Nov 20, 2015 at 7:46 pm

Cfrink is a registered user.

Children do not have any control over their home environments or their learning environments. It is up to us as adults to find a way to provide all children with an opportunity to have the best chance at success. Period. That's the very definition of public school. We should provide each child with the most rigorous instruction and the resources to master that education so that when they become adults they have the best opportunity to succeed at life.

That's our job and while I want the money to be spent strategically, I also want it to be spent. I agree we also need to ensure that students who excel are also continuously challenged and provided with the opportunity to grow at a faster pace.


Posted by Mary Beth
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 22, 2015 at 8:07 am

I thought this new superintendent knew how to raise student achievement. Isn't this why he was hired? Charter school experience and all?

Where's the beef? Why isn't he leading a proven initiative? Not impressed with him at all.


Posted by Old tn View Parent
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 22, 2015 at 6:26 pm

@ Mary Beth

Good questions

No evidence yet that he was a good hire

Why was he referenced at all in this article?

Wasn't he supposed to be some special outsider who knew what to do?


Posted by psr
a resident of The Crossings
on Nov 23, 2015 at 3:11 pm

You can pour a great deal of money into helping children, but it will not help change the culture at home.

I resent anybody saying that other people are hateful when the reality is that they are simply tired of seeing more and more of their hard-earned money thrown at a problem with little to no results to show for it.

I don't think most children are unable to learn within the system we have, but it REQUIRES that the parents be actively involved. My son was in a kindergarten class with two other children, neither of whom spoke any English when the year started. By the end of the year, one child was fairly fluent, to the point of using idioms. The other had gained very little speaking ability.

Two differences could be observed. One, since one child spoke Spanish and the other, Korean, teachers would explain things in Spanish to one of the children, while the other had to learn by observation and rudimentary teaching of language. The other difference was that one of the children had parents who had their child do the projects that were assigned and ensured they were completed and returned. The other child often did not return or complete work. All the rest was fairly equal. Which child do you think was fluent at the end of the year?

Also, since I spend a great deal of time volunteering at school, I see who spends time on their children and who does not. Even children with less natural ability to do the work perform much better when they are encouraged and given a little direction. It doesn't require a huge time investment, but you do have to spend some.

In short, I don't think that pouring more dollars at this problem will solve it. No amount of money is going to make some parents care. It is those children that need help. You can give them tools but, if there is no motivation behind it, it is the same as buying a great sports car without being able to operate the stickshift. The result just won't be good, no matter how much money you invest. However, if you have any ideas about how to make parents care, I think you'd be on to something.


Posted by been there
a resident of Waverly Park
on Nov 23, 2015 at 3:48 pm

psr,

You're going to be called mean and hateful, but I agree with you. I've been one of those non-English speakers with parents who worked 2-3 jobs and didn't finish their own education. The only difference between me and the ones who are failing now is that my parents made sure I did my homework, even if they didn't understand any of it and couldn't help me.

It starts at home. No amount of money will close the achievement gap until that's fixed.


Posted by psr
a resident of The Crossings
on Nov 23, 2015 at 8:46 pm

@ been there

Although I wasn't in your shoes, I did have grandparents that came here and didn't speak the language. They made sure that their children (17 children between my mother and father's families) all went to school and did their work. My parents also made sure my brother and I did our work and do the same for my son. I firmly believe that that was the greatest gift they passed on to me.

I don't know how to solve this problem, but I believe that it is the single most important thing we need to address. Even parents who can't help with the schoolwork can motivate their children. It is just important to let kids know that education is important.

Any ideas?


Posted by Linda Vasquez
a resident of Old Mountain View
on Nov 25, 2015 at 8:45 pm

This is controvertial and I don't agree with all of their opinions but it explains some of the challenges and frustrations from the viewpoint of a teacher working in an underprivileged and underfunded school district. Definitely worth reading, if only to broaden your knowledge.

Web Link


Posted by Abigail
a resident of Willowgate
on Nov 25, 2015 at 11:56 pm

@Linda Vasquez

I am horrified by the racism in that article!

I am also unclear why you would share that in these comments. That teacher is talking about a poor inner city school. Our schools aren't that.


Posted by Ken M.
a resident of another community
on Nov 26, 2015 at 10:32 am

@Abigail

It's a difference of degree, not kind. As a society we are failing these children because our educational system doesn't understand that their needs, personalities, and abilities are different.


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