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Burning just one "old style" light bulb can cost $150 or more per year

Uploaded: Nov 26, 2023

I last wrote about LED bulbs three years ago, when I was urging people to choose LED over standard incandescent when picking out holiday lights. ‘Tis the season again, but what’s different this year is you won’t see most incandescent holiday lights available in stores. New federal regulations limit sales of the older inefficient bulbs. Energy efficiency wins like this are important not only because they save on our energy bills, but also because they create room in the grid for electrification. That will buy us time as we electrify and also save us money.

In this short blog, I want to emphasize how inefficient -- and expensive -- the incandescent bulbs are. If you have a single 100-watt bulb, and it’s an outdoor or living/working area light that is on for 12 hours a day, it will burn for 12 * 365 = 4380 hours during which it will consume 438 kWh of energy. If your electricity is $0.35/kWh, typical of rates in California, that will cost $153 per year. For one light! In Palo Alto, it will be more like $110 ($.25/kWh). This is why our parents were always reminding us to turn off lights…


Old-style bulbs like this use a lot of electricity

If instead you were to use the LED equivalent, which uses 15 watts, that would consume 66 kWh of energy, costing much less -- $23 at $.35/kWh or $17 at $.25/kWh (Palo Alto rates). But you can do even better. If it’s an outdoor light that you can put on a six-hour timer, then the bill drops to $11.50 or $8. Or if it’s on a sensor and just runs for one hour, the bill becomes negligible, at around $2 per year.


LED lights use up to ten times less energy

LED lights pay for themselves pretty quickly. For about $8 you can find some incandescent holiday lights for sale, the “mini” ones. If you have four strings, or 100 feet of them and they are twinkling all day for a month, they will use 59 kWh, costing about $20. The LED version will use less than 8 kWh and cost under $3. So the LED lights will pay for themselves with room to spare in just two years. They should also last longer.


LED mini lights will pay for themselves in two years

To save money and be kind to the planet, consider a New Year’s resolution to rid your home of any remaining incandescent or halogen bulbs, especially those that run for a few hours each day. (Halogens use less energy than incandescents, but still much more than LEDs.) There is a wide variety available now.

For outdoor holiday lights, even if you are using LED lights, remember to put them on a timer that shuts off around 10pm. Artificial light at night is not good for wildlife, which evolved many behaviors for dark nights. Moreover, the sometimes cooler colors of LEDs are especially harnful. If you can, choose warmer colors for outdoor lighting, and use a timer or sensor (for entry or security lights) to reduce their negative night-time impact. These are small things we can do that, in aggregate, have a big impact.

I’d be interested to hear how your holiday lights have changed over the years and why.

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Posted by KOhlson, a resident of Old Palo Alto,
on Nov 26, 2023 at 5:01 pm

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Great post, especially at the time of year when lights are used the most. If I understand your post correctly, the payback on an LED is just a few months. Which I think means one shouldn't wait until an existing one burns out - replace it now.
I was at the hardware store yesterday and noticed some nice improvements in lights. Namely, some units have adjustable lumens, adjustable color temperature, and reasonably high CRI ratings. And they're less expensive than before. All this means you can get good quality lighting, exactly as you want it. And they've come down in price.


Posted by JK, a resident of South of Midtown,
on Nov 28, 2023 at 10:53 am

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Target in Mountain View is still selling incandescent mini lights as well as LED.


Posted by Patricia Becker, a resident of Charleston Meadows,
on Nov 28, 2023 at 11:22 am

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thanks for the reminder about using the best light bulbs!


Posted by Walter, a resident of Adobe-Meadow,
on Nov 28, 2023 at 1:00 pm

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A bit of an exaggeration. My total electric bill for the year is around $1,200. It does not vary much between summer and winter. We have an electric cooktop, electric double oven, electric washing machine and dryer, which gets used on average more than twice a day. I have not counted the bulbs but its more than 50. I doubt I have a bulb that even averages 3 hours a day and most are on less than an hour. Moreover, in the winter when a light is on a lot more the heat generated is adding to heating the room. Many fixture using LEDs are not removable and you have to pay for a new fixture and for many people have an electrician do the job. In my house we also have a string of small LEDs. They run on a low voltage. The transformer is in the garage so the heat generated has no value. Similar with built in light fixtures. Even worse the transformer can get quite hot and then turns off the lights. I thought they had failed so paid for an electrician to tell me otherwise. I never noticed any savings when I switched to LEDs. My cost of hiring an electrician has increased substantially. What I would advise is get fixtures that take a removable standard light bulb (use an LED of course). I fear they are becoming rare.


Posted by Donald, a resident of South of Midtown,
on Nov 28, 2023 at 3:45 pm

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Thanks for the information. Our house switched to all LEDs years ago. I started with the lights in our recessed cans in the ceilings that are hard to reach, and I am happy that I have never had to change one since.

Where did you get the $0.25/kWh for Palo Alto? I pay more like $0.18/kWh.


Posted by Sherry Listgarten, a Mountain View Online blogger,
on Nov 28, 2023 at 7:28 pm

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I love these comments, thanks. I want to share this information because my electricity bill dropped by about 30% when I finally switched over to LEDs. If I’d known, I would have switched over much earlier.

@KOhlson, yes, absolutely, do not wait for your incandescents to burn out. Switch soon, starting with the most-used bulbs.

@Walter, I totally agree, if you need to hire an electrician to swap out your bulbs, your savings will disappear. Electricians are hard to find and not cheap! But here’s a little info for you if you are interested…

If, as you say, you are paying about $100/month for electricity, then you are using about 500 kWh/month, which is pretty “normal”. But if you don’t have an EV or electric water heater or space heating, and you are not running a commercial kitchen or laundromat, IMO that is pretty high, though 14 loads of laundry every week must take its toll… FWIW, laundry uses around 2.5 kWh/load with an electric dryer. So 60 loads/month would be 150 kWh. That is still less than one third of your bill.

Maybe you are okay with your bill, which is fine. If you are curious, though, you might take a look at your meter one evening when you aren’t doing “much”, see how far it moves in an hour, then extrapolate that to a month. I have some instructions on how to do that here. That is how I figured out our lights were using more than I thought, even though most were halogen (which is better than incandescent). I had different kinds of fixtures, but if you can unscrew your light bulbs then I expect you can find LED replacements. In most cases you just need to buy a bulb, not a whole new fixture. With lots of weird fixtures, like I had, it can be a pain to figure out what to buy but it’s still doable.

BTW, to your point about hot bulbs, I didn’t notice my house getting cooler when I switched over to LEDs. I actually like that things aren’t hot to the touch around the bulbs. But ymmv. Anyway, it was super nice of you to share your experience and observations. Thank you very much!

@Donald, thanks for that question. Palo Alto charges around 17.5 cents/kWh for the first 330 or so kWh, then 24.7 cents/kWh after that. Since most people use more than 330 kWh, reducing their load by switching to LEDs will reduce their Tier 2 usage, which is billed at 24.7 cents/kWh. (I rounded that to $.25.)

BTW, I have found that some of my LED bulbs don’t last as long as advertised. The basic ones are fine, but for example these I’ve replaced already. I don’t know, maybe there are some better ones for these fixtures but I haven’t found them.

Anyway, thanks for the really interesting and helpful comments.


Posted by Eduardo, a resident of Menlo Park,
on Nov 29, 2023 at 7:15 am

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Very good reminder, Sherry, and in PG&E/PCE territory the cost can be even higher. We are on EV2-A; off-peak is $.28/kWh, partial peak is $.45/kWh, and peak is $.46/kWh. Peak is 4-9; partial peak includes 9-midnight!

We only place some lights outdoors but all our lighting, including Christmas tree, is LED.


Posted by Eduardo, a resident of Menlo Park,
on Nov 29, 2023 at 7:23 am

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BTW, on tracking electrical consumption...

If you have a smart meter you might be able to use a device like the Emporia Vue Utility Connect (VUC) to get real-time consumption use on your phone. The VUC connects to your smart meter locally and gets the consumption every few seconds. It can then upload to the Emporia backend using your WiFi connection. You can then use your smartphone or web browser to see what the consumption is right now, or at historical data (15 minutes, 1 hour, 1 day, etc...)

There VUC does not need an electrician to install. It's a very small device that uses 5watts and plugs into an outlet. It costs about $45. It works with our meter - GE - but I don't know whether it works with whatever is used in Palo Alto.

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Posted by Sherry Listgarten, a Mountain View Online blogger,
on Nov 29, 2023 at 12:05 pm

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@Eduardo, thanks for the helpful comments! Unfortunately Palo Alto hasn't rolled out smart meters beyond a test set of residents, but in a few years we will have them and tools like the one you mention can help people to understand their electricity use.


Posted by Lynn, a resident of Birdland,
on Nov 29, 2023 at 12:05 pm

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An o incandescent 25w light bulb kept the washer water pump from freezing when I was in the mountains. The incandescent “Christmas tree" lights wrapping frost sensitive plants kept them alive and only a few had a light frost cover protector. LED do not help - one of the reasons they are efficient is they don't give off as much heat. The amount of heat in a room is insignificant. The heat next to / on the item is. So I'm trying to hang on to those old inefficient bulbs because where can you buy them


Posted by Sherry Listgarten, a Mountain View Online blogger,
on Nov 30, 2023 at 10:29 am

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@Lynn, that's a great point. I like the way the old-style bulbs melt the snow in colder areas, whereas LEDs just get covered up. There are certainly some cases where the extra energy used and the heat generated is a desirable thing. Maybe people will design heated LEDs for those cases?? Or come up with something better. (You can probably warm plants without lights...) Anyway, thanks for writing, I love the point you make, sometimes we take advantage of these inefficiencies and really miss them. Heat coming off car engines is similar.


Posted by staying home, a resident of Crescent Park,
on Dec 1, 2023 at 1:00 pm

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in regards to Christmas tree lights, I've found the LED lights to be more reliable (last longer, less subject to breakage) and to run much cooler (longer lasting tree). we've had the same sets for years and do not have any issues with broken or burnt out bulbs. As for bulbs around the house, we have a stash of incandescent bulbs that we just no longer have any need for. Every light we have in the house is available in LED. Even specialty bulbs in a vanity or small decorative lamps or appliances.


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