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Mountain View Whisman board prepares to vote on installing fences at Monta Loma

School board is expected to make a decision at its Sept. 7 meeting

The Mountain View Whisman School District recently installed a new sign at Monta Loma Elementary School, left, labeling the open space as a school district field. A previous sign described the area as a city of Mountain View park, right. The field is owned by the school district, but frequently used by the public. Left photo by Zoe Morgan. Right photo by Magali Gauthier.

After nearly three years of discussion and disagreement, the Mountain View Whisman school board is poised to take a vote within the next month on the installation of fences at Monta Loma Elementary School.

The school district's plans to put up fences around all of its campuses sparked outcry from residents in 2020, particularly those living in the Monta Loma neighborhood. Community members argued that they lack park space, and that fencing would cut off access to fields and other outdoor areas at Monta Loma that they rely on for open space.

District officials pushed back on that idea, pointing out that the public would still be allowed to use the open space outside of school hours, and contend that fences are necessary to improve security while kids are on campus.

Faced with substantial and enduring pushback, Mountain View Whisman moved ahead with installing fencing on other campuses, but held off at Monta Loma. The board ended up hiring the architectural design firm Carducci Associates to host a series of public meetings to get input on how to redesign the campus.

That public input process has been underway for a couple years, but no formal decisions were made about the future of Monta Loma. That looks like it's about to change.

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At a Thursday, Aug. 17, meeting, district staff brought an update back to the school board with three options for where to put fencing at the elementary school, encircling varying amounts of the campus. The board is expected to take a vote on a fencing plan at its next meeting, scheduled for Sept. 7.

Superintendent Ayindé Rudolph kicked off the discussion by giving his perspective on the fence debate, including acknowledging that he and other administrators didn't initially appreciate why the open space at Monta Loma was so important to its neighbors.

"Had we understood that there's only two parks for the whole community, and technically one of them is a school field, we probably would have tread differently," Rudolph said. "We would have approached this problem differently. And for that, I truly need to apologize."

At the same time, he said that other areas of the community also lack park space, and that the point of installing fencing was never to restrict access.

All three options presented at the meeting would fence off the Little League field and add gates facing into the campus so that teachers can bring their students onto the field for time outdoors. The Little League field is currently only partially fenced off and lacks gates.

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The difference between the options is how much to fence off the multi-use grass field that is frequently used by the public. The first option would add a fence near the edge of the field where it borders the campus buildings, leaving most of the grass area open to the public.

The second option would fence off a portion of the multi-use field near the Little League field, but would leave a large section towards the front of the school open. The final option would fence off most of the multi-use field, although a smaller portion would still remain outside the fence.

In each of the three options, the public would have access to the areas outside of the fences at any time of day – including during school hours – and can enter the fenced-off areas when school is not in session, Rudolph said.

Rudolph told the board that each option had pluses and minuses, but that he believes the first option is the best compromise and the one he would recommend the board choose.

"It balances the needs of everybody and it allows for the community to still have access," Rudolph said.

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Eleven members of the public spoke on the topic at Thursday's meeting, including Mayor Allison Hicks and Assistant City Manager Audrey Seymour Ramberg.

Hicks said that she had received several messages from formerly unhappy residents who were pleased with Option 1, which provided the most public access during school hours. In general, neighbors preferred Option 1, while Monta Loma staff members favored Option 3, which would provide the largest fenced-off area.

A Monta Loma teacher read the board a portion of a letter from her and her colleagues, explaining that school staff have had multiple hostile incidents involving people coming onto campus.

"Opting for Option 3 would enable us to continue utilizing the space while upholding the safety of our students within our school boundaries," she said.

The open space next to Monta Loma Elementary School in Mountain View is often used by members of the public. Photo by Adam Pardee.

Neighbor Jill Rakestraw, on the other hand, said she favored Option 1, but objected to the yearslong process it took to get here.

"We have spent all this time on this theater of security," Rakestraw said. "I'm just disappointed that the Monta Loma neighborhood has not been respected tonight and you've made us wait hours to even express our point of view."

The fencing discussion was held near the end of a lengthy board meeting and didn't begin until after 10 p.m.

Board policy only allows meetings to go past 10 p.m. when a majority of the board votes to do so and only one extension vote is permitted per meeting. The board voted to extend Thursday's meeting until 11:15 p.m.

With limited time to discuss, the board members didn't reveal which plan they each preferred at Thursday's meeting, though they did share general thoughts. Board member Bill Lambert didn't say which option he preferred, but argued that the district should aim to keep as much open space available as possible.

Board member Chris Chiang questioned whether the fences would tangibly help with school safety, and pointed to evidence that these types of measures haven't been shown to be effective at stopping school shootings.

Rudolph responded that stopping school shootings can come down to a matter of seconds and that buying more time is important.

Board member Devin Conley also noted that as a former teacher, she has been through multiple campus lockdowns and also had her own child go through lock downs in Mountain View Whisman. While a fence might not stop a determined shooter, Conley argued that it could potentially deter incidents that aren't pre-planned, like someone who is running from police.

Board member Laura Blakely said she was glad the board was finally having this conversation after several years.

"I appreciate people's willingness to move forward and make a decision," Blakely said.

The district plans to hold a community meeting to discuss the fencing plans at 5 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 24, in the school's multi-use room.

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Mountain View Whisman board prepares to vote on installing fences at Monta Loma

School board is expected to make a decision at its Sept. 7 meeting

After nearly three years of discussion and disagreement, the Mountain View Whisman school board is poised to take a vote within the next month on the installation of fences at Monta Loma Elementary School.

The school district's plans to put up fences around all of its campuses sparked outcry from residents in 2020, particularly those living in the Monta Loma neighborhood. Community members argued that they lack park space, and that fencing would cut off access to fields and other outdoor areas at Monta Loma that they rely on for open space.

District officials pushed back on that idea, pointing out that the public would still be allowed to use the open space outside of school hours, and contend that fences are necessary to improve security while kids are on campus.

Faced with substantial and enduring pushback, Mountain View Whisman moved ahead with installing fencing on other campuses, but held off at Monta Loma. The board ended up hiring the architectural design firm Carducci Associates to host a series of public meetings to get input on how to redesign the campus.

That public input process has been underway for a couple years, but no formal decisions were made about the future of Monta Loma. That looks like it's about to change.

At a Thursday, Aug. 17, meeting, district staff brought an update back to the school board with three options for where to put fencing at the elementary school, encircling varying amounts of the campus. The board is expected to take a vote on a fencing plan at its next meeting, scheduled for Sept. 7.

Superintendent Ayindé Rudolph kicked off the discussion by giving his perspective on the fence debate, including acknowledging that he and other administrators didn't initially appreciate why the open space at Monta Loma was so important to its neighbors.

"Had we understood that there's only two parks for the whole community, and technically one of them is a school field, we probably would have tread differently," Rudolph said. "We would have approached this problem differently. And for that, I truly need to apologize."

At the same time, he said that other areas of the community also lack park space, and that the point of installing fencing was never to restrict access.

All three options presented at the meeting would fence off the Little League field and add gates facing into the campus so that teachers can bring their students onto the field for time outdoors. The Little League field is currently only partially fenced off and lacks gates.

The difference between the options is how much to fence off the multi-use grass field that is frequently used by the public. The first option would add a fence near the edge of the field where it borders the campus buildings, leaving most of the grass area open to the public.

The second option would fence off a portion of the multi-use field near the Little League field, but would leave a large section towards the front of the school open. The final option would fence off most of the multi-use field, although a smaller portion would still remain outside the fence.

In each of the three options, the public would have access to the areas outside of the fences at any time of day – including during school hours – and can enter the fenced-off areas when school is not in session, Rudolph said.

Rudolph told the board that each option had pluses and minuses, but that he believes the first option is the best compromise and the one he would recommend the board choose.

"It balances the needs of everybody and it allows for the community to still have access," Rudolph said.

Eleven members of the public spoke on the topic at Thursday's meeting, including Mayor Allison Hicks and Assistant City Manager Audrey Seymour Ramberg.

Hicks said that she had received several messages from formerly unhappy residents who were pleased with Option 1, which provided the most public access during school hours. In general, neighbors preferred Option 1, while Monta Loma staff members favored Option 3, which would provide the largest fenced-off area.

A Monta Loma teacher read the board a portion of a letter from her and her colleagues, explaining that school staff have had multiple hostile incidents involving people coming onto campus.

"Opting for Option 3 would enable us to continue utilizing the space while upholding the safety of our students within our school boundaries," she said.

Neighbor Jill Rakestraw, on the other hand, said she favored Option 1, but objected to the yearslong process it took to get here.

"We have spent all this time on this theater of security," Rakestraw said. "I'm just disappointed that the Monta Loma neighborhood has not been respected tonight and you've made us wait hours to even express our point of view."

The fencing discussion was held near the end of a lengthy board meeting and didn't begin until after 10 p.m.

Board policy only allows meetings to go past 10 p.m. when a majority of the board votes to do so and only one extension vote is permitted per meeting. The board voted to extend Thursday's meeting until 11:15 p.m.

With limited time to discuss, the board members didn't reveal which plan they each preferred at Thursday's meeting, though they did share general thoughts. Board member Bill Lambert didn't say which option he preferred, but argued that the district should aim to keep as much open space available as possible.

Board member Chris Chiang questioned whether the fences would tangibly help with school safety, and pointed to evidence that these types of measures haven't been shown to be effective at stopping school shootings.

Rudolph responded that stopping school shootings can come down to a matter of seconds and that buying more time is important.

Board member Devin Conley also noted that as a former teacher, she has been through multiple campus lockdowns and also had her own child go through lock downs in Mountain View Whisman. While a fence might not stop a determined shooter, Conley argued that it could potentially deter incidents that aren't pre-planned, like someone who is running from police.

Board member Laura Blakely said she was glad the board was finally having this conversation after several years.

"I appreciate people's willingness to move forward and make a decision," Blakely said.

The district plans to hold a community meeting to discuss the fencing plans at 5 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 24, in the school's multi-use room.

Comments

Steven Nelson
Registered user
Cuesta Park
on Aug 18, 2023 at 2:30 pm
Steven Nelson, Cuesta Park
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2023 at 2:30 pm

Option 1 is very fine - Except that it fences students out from the "Multi-Use Field" (about 1.3 acres) during school time! Staff, Family and Neighborhood Focus Groups (in my reading of the text) agreed that this "greenspace" should be "student", "children during school hours" space.

Option 3 does this 'better than 1' - Or a "Left Curve Fence" switch from the right-curving student-restricting fence of Option 1. (Stay Out of Field during school-time!)


FOCUS GROUPS (quote of the written record)
Staff: 2nd of 3 “•Delineation of open space which creates a safe/secure greenspace for students during school hours.” 
[students during school hours]
Families: 1st of 3 “•Providing more open greenspace than currently being provided for children to run in during school hours.” 
[children during school hours]
Neighborhood: 1st of 4 “•Preservation of open green space during non-school hours, and maintaining the site’s ability to be a place of community building, and gathering.” 
 [non-school hours, community gathering]

Only the Seniors group discussion point seemed to stick in the consultant’s mind during verbal comment:
Seniors: 1st of 3 "•Maintaining openness of the greenspace available to community use during and before/after school hours."
 [during school hours]


SalsaMusic
Registered user
Cuesta Park
on Aug 18, 2023 at 2:38 pm
SalsaMusic, Cuesta Park
Registered user
on Aug 18, 2023 at 2:38 pm

Seems silly to me that neighbors are so upset over option 3 given that it would benefit 100s of their children, rather than the 7 that would benefit by having access to the field in the day time.

Let's put kids first!


Steven Nelson
Registered user
Cuesta Park
on Aug 19, 2023 at 11:14 am
Steven Nelson, Cuesta Park
Registered user
on Aug 19, 2023 at 11:14 am

@Salsa, I'd agree. I sent the Board (those who set Public Policy) a written reminder to them in the days before their meeting. Their "trusteeship" is to the education of the public school students, not to the Seniors. First and primarily to the kids (and their teachers and staff) at school, only secondary to those expecting to use these 'school public lands' out-of-school-hours and days, and little (thirdly) to those wanting to use the kids' public school fields DURING THE SCHOOL DAY!

At my local school, 50-60 years of chain-link-fencing around the school kid's "run around" field has mainly 'taught' adults wanting to walk around and walk dogs -To Avoid Trespass on School Kids' Field DURING the School Day. It works, because we oldsters have been trained!

The local school staff (teachers) know this school's educational needs (Option 3) better than the 'personal' ["I recommend ..." ] advice of Superintendent Rudolph. (#1)


MV Resident
Registered user
Another Mountain View Neighborhood
on Aug 19, 2023 at 1:31 pm
MV Resident, Another Mountain View Neighborhood
Registered user
on Aug 19, 2023 at 1:31 pm

It’s unclear from the published board content if any of these options still allow for small-sided youth soccer on the large grass field, because they appear to cut the field in ways that eliminate sideline margins or limit field length. Does a 7v7 field still fit? If so, put it in the diagrams!

For the unfamiliar, there’s a real shortage of soccer field space in MV vs demand... the major turf fields across the city are shared by as many as four teams at a time during practice hours, which isn’t great for training and enjoyment of a sport that is surging in popularity among youth, and continues to see adult rec league teams playing in the area as well. Similar story at Los Altos / Foothill and Twin “Mini golf putting surface” Creeks.


LongResident
Registered user
another community
on Aug 20, 2023 at 5:05 pm
LongResident, another community
Registered user
on Aug 20, 2023 at 5:05 pm

This whole fiasco is very misleading as presented by the Board. Monta Loma is the smallest school they have, where enrollment dropped from 463 in 2016 to 245 in 2023. The district has muddied the waters by talking about perhaps building a second school on that site when it's way down on the list on the best possibilities they have to squeeze in another school (which they don't really need).

So is the district just trying to assert their ownership of that entire small parcel? Or are they really concerned about kids.

The odds are with only 40 kids per grade, they don't really use all that outdoor space during the school day. Almost all of the activity is on the hard court space near the classrooms. They just don't have the ability to supervise kids off roaming around the open space by themselves. Adding fencing won't help much with that. The kids can get into fights or otherwise hurt themselves so they aren't just dogs that can be let out into a fenced area with the fence to protect them.

So I don't think there needs to be as much concern with preserving full access to as much of the green space as possible. Realistically, the odd case which might cause use would be one particular class maybe venturing onto the green space for some sort of class activity.

Odds are the enrollment goes down still further. The idea of bussing more kids in to fill the land is just not workable. Plan the fencing for the reality of a school that's half the size of what it was 6 or 7 years ago.


SalsaMusic
Registered user
Cuesta Park
on Aug 20, 2023 at 10:13 pm
SalsaMusic, Cuesta Park
Registered user
on Aug 20, 2023 at 10:13 pm

Long, they don't have kids going on the grass today because it's not fenced off. Not because they can't supervise them. At other schools where the grass is now fenced off (i.e. Bubb), the kids play in the grass during the school day.

The grass is for the SCHOOL children first, everyone else second. Easy as that.

I second the comment about awkwardly breaking the grass up to prevent soccer. That would be bad.


LongResident
Registered user
another community
on Aug 21, 2023 at 2:12 am
LongResident, another community
Registered user
on Aug 21, 2023 at 2:12 am

All of the elementary schools are seeing vast drop offs in enrollment which reduces the amount of staff and the ability to supervise kids in different areas of the school. Bubb is down to 339 kids where in 2016 it had been 565. Bubb was always fenced in around the field but kids were still not allowed to roam over the entire open space without supervision. Where security fencing and gates was added at Bubb it was in areas like the teacher parking lot and the front of the school facing the street by the office.

Bubb is 9.66 acres and loads of the grounds are off limits to kids playing around at recess. Adjacent to Bubb is a 3.5 acre city park that is not part of the school. Kids never used the park or came anywhere close to the border with the park at recess, but the district "hardened" the border with the park.

The concern with security is valid but the implementation has been ridiculous. Look at that argument from the Superintendent claiming that one reason is to slow down school shooters by a few seconds. That makes no sense at all. These are fences with openings in them all along their run, not some kind of solid wall with barbed wire on top.

The small school doesn't need the entire grounds in the day time since it is 10 acres with only 245 students. The thing is the way they are trying to carve off a small section for a neighborhood park is just weird and the park is more of a trail through the edge of the place requiring a lot more fencing. It won't be any safer or any better for the neighborhood spending $600K on a maze of fences like this and for sure it won't deter some kind of nutcase from going crazy. The whole layout of the school is for historical reasons and doesn't lend itself to fencing off space. They'd be better off making a new totlot at the front of the school and opening a half acre or so as a daytime park as they have done at Castro. It could probably be an entire acre and make more sense and cost less for fences.


Wanda
Registered user
Monta Loma
on Aug 21, 2023 at 11:11 am
Wanda, Monta Loma
Registered user
on Aug 21, 2023 at 11:11 am

Which option will allow the most space for soccer during non-school hours?

Which option will best allow children and staff to get away from building and fire fighters into the buildings the case of fire?


Steven Nelson
Registered user
Cuesta Park
on Aug 23, 2023 at 3:34 pm
Steven Nelson, Cuesta Park
Registered user
on Aug 23, 2023 at 3:34 pm

Long Resident - your story lacks veracity and experience on-the-schoolyard. I had 3 boys in Bubb over 17 years and they all 'roamed over the fields' behind fences. Not 100% fencing for sure, but more than 95% field fencing (vastly exceeding Monta Loma teacher's current 'plight'). I use the word plight, because I have substitute taught PE and supervised Recess and Lunch play at most of the MVWSD elementary and Middle schools!

Without fencing - it is very labor intensive to keep kids away from the streets (traffic) and away from the adult strangers that Kids Should Not Be Mixing With. It is really that simple. Kids at Castro, on their field with a Field Fence, are safer than kids who might play or have PE on the Monta Loma public school Multi-Use Field.

I substituted in PE on the Castro Elementary (fenced field) for over 3 months in the early 2000's. Fences will not stop bullets - but they will stop kid-wandering - quick adult abductions - and adult walk-around-wanderings.

Good enough / give the teachers what they want. "Accommodate" the public out-of-school-hours.


LongResident
Registered user
another community
on Aug 23, 2023 at 7:13 pm
LongResident, another community
Registered user
on Aug 23, 2023 at 7:13 pm

These days things are different than they were 20 years ago. There have been a lot of lawsuits about kids doing things while unsupervised on playgrounds. Enrollments are down too. Monta Loma only has a few fields and perhaps the fencing is needed just to keep the kids from edging over into some of the tree shaded and poor visibility areas along the edge of the school where there are some walkways. But that's no reason to split the soccer field in two. My point is the kids don't need access to the areas that are problematic so you could argue those off in the same way Bubb always had fenced the street. But this wouldn't be a case of blaming the city park for causing the problem--it would have been there anyway. Kids can get into trouble in the nooks of a playground even with cars being not an issue.


Steven Nelson
Registered user
Cuesta Park
on Aug 24, 2023 at 12:23 pm
Steven Nelson, Cuesta Park
Registered user
on Aug 24, 2023 at 12:23 pm

@LongResident: I'd agree - don't split the Multi-Use (soccer) Field in two!

The Seniors' may want all the field / greenspace open to them "during," before and after school time - but that is not the safer configuration for The Staff and School Kids. Feedback reiterated by the teaching Staff in Focus Group and their recent letter-from-the-Staff to Board.

A "Left-Curved Fence" redrawing of Option #1, with the fence to the far left of the soccer field (just inside the tree line along the walk-way) ...

Gives over 1.3 acres of unobstructed open green space to the School Kids/Teachers during school time. Then after school hours WIDE GATES open up to the neighborhood usage. Seniors from Focus Group need to compromise / Staff, Families and Neighborhood Focus Group priorities green space for Students "during" the school day.


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